2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by godlameroso » Mon May 13, 2019 7:11 pm

e30ernest wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 4:01 am
The car does look like it's lacking in multiple areas compared to the Merc in Barcelona:

https://youtu.be/FQHsKnrOCQw

It just kept losing in every corner. I was really surprised at the gap here.
The gaps are all from corner exit, so Mercedes has more grip. I find it hard to believe it is anything more than tires.
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by McMika98 » Mon May 13, 2019 7:37 pm

https://youtu.be/ysbPxjFaMug

How Ferrari can solve their problems. Lol. Conspiracy theories on Merc running an ingenious flexible rear suspension which could explain them being able to carry high speeed strength with no compromise to low speed. Maybe they have caught both Ferrari and Redbull sleeping here. It might not be just aero.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Jolle » Mon May 13, 2019 11:23 pm

Slo Poke wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 9:19 pm
3jawchuck wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 7:53 pm
Slo Poke wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:56 pm

Air bubbles rising up through the fuel tank’s the answer and getting on for half a tank of fuel for qualifying.
Could you go into more details about what you mean please?
Certainly!
Firstly, bubbles are not to be underestimated. They’re widely used in many different industries, medically and even the military has a use for them.
Inside the fuel-bladder an intricate array of thin tubes would have to be installed, or maybe a purpose made artificial airation floor. Pressurised air is then forced into the prepostioned tubing and is then allowed to leak, or seap at low level to mix with the fuel. Air rises in liquid, as we know. Although not so widely appreciated is the domed upper surface of a bubble. Anything above it is lifted or moved to one side, into the path of another bubble and so it goes on. With adequate and proper airation controlling bubble size and number of, there could easily be billions of tiny bubbles and all of them would be in unison helping mutate the overall weight of the fuel load into something much lighter than it actually is.
Now that has to be useful in f1. Consider Bottas approaching the chicane last race qualifying. In the cockpit perhaps where the brake bias level is, or was, there’s now a lever to fine tune the amount of bubbles, so he shuts them off prior to corner entry. The car suddenly, or a second later gains a slight increase in weight and produces more mechanical grip than his team-mate. What might be the outcome?
Yes! That’s why drivers still “hop” in their seats looking for grip just like in karts..... :lol:

Btw, you do know that a kg of fuel is a kg of fuel, even when it’s in vapor form? And pushing it up trough air, will cause the same force as the mass of the fuel. They debunked the flying birds in a truck theory a long time ago.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Jozsusz » Mon May 13, 2019 11:25 pm

Zynerji wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:19 pm
Manoah2u wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 5:10 am
fritticaldi wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 4:43 am
Ferrari needs to reinforce their management. A new team principal is needed. Someone like Eric Boulier who is currently unemployed.
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They are lacking in strategy. Binotto needs to return to his former technical director position. The current car appears to have several flaws. If they were permitted to do private testing the problem would be rectified.
guess what, permission for private testing would make no change as all the teams would have the same and they stay in the same league.

yes they're lacking in strategy, so if anybody, the strategist needs replacement.
Binotto did a fine job with the car last year and this year too but yes, promoting him to TD hampers focus on tech department.

meanwhile, let's be fair here, Vettel more or less gave it away at the first corner by getting in that flat spot.
he went too far, if he braked just moments before he might have even made the corner but at the very least, he'd be in front of Max without a flat spot. But yes, Ferrari - as usual for quite some seasons now - are throwing points out the window with their strategy.

It's a repeat of year after year again. Very strong start, and quickly fading away and seeing strategy problems dooming up.

But again. Bouillier? seriously dude.
Unless you are Mercedes, and you need a secret tyre test to fix your problems...
Which was in 2013. Move on mate, it was 6 years ago and doesn't have any affect.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Zynerji » Mon May 13, 2019 11:35 pm

Jozsusz wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 11:25 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:19 pm
Manoah2u wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 5:10 am


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guess what, permission for private testing would make no change as all the teams would have the same and they stay in the same league.

yes they're lacking in strategy, so if anybody, the strategist needs replacement.
Binotto did a fine job with the car last year and this year too but yes, promoting him to TD hampers focus on tech department.

meanwhile, let's be fair here, Vettel more or less gave it away at the first corner by getting in that flat spot.
he went too far, if he braked just moments before he might have even made the corner but at the very least, he'd be in front of Max without a flat spot. But yes, Ferrari - as usual for quite some seasons now - are throwing points out the window with their strategy.

It's a repeat of year after year again. Very strong start, and quickly fading away and seeing strategy problems dooming up.

But again. Bouillier? seriously dude.
Unless you are Mercedes, and you need a secret tyre test to fix your problems...
Which was in 2013. Move on mate, it was 6 years ago and doesn't have any affect.
I guess the following 5 seasons as champions with great tyre management wasn't an effect? :roll:

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by MichaelFerrari » Mon May 13, 2019 11:42 pm

Not really, since they change the tires almost every year...
It's just a great design team, a great engine team, great team overall cohesion, great management.
They pretty much can overcome any obstacle.
Look what happened in 2016 between ham and ros, Toto now swears to god ge won't let the situation rot in the same way.
They learn and improve always, despite a few key people leaving the team almost every year.
The level of perfection is unbelievable.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by MichaelFerrari » Tue May 14, 2019 1:58 am

That's exactly what Ferrari needs, to flirt with the ultimate limits of the regulations, like they used to back in the good old days...
And by limits, I mean, get over it as long as the FIA close their eyes...
They are not daring enough.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by LM10 » Tue May 14, 2019 10:32 am

Does anyone know, if Ferrari is actually testing a new suspension (or the one they allegedly used in testing week 1) today and tomorrow? Or is this all just speculation?
A new suspension which would dramatically help them is the last thing to give me a glimmer of hope. If not, it definitely is game over for this season and probably also next season. On this note, can't Ferrari already keep more focus on 2021 and use some of this year's budget for it? Or are teams kind of limited with restrictions? If it's possible, I would already start focusing on 2021 because I don't see how Mercedes would drop the ball with such a huge advantage in their hands this year and next year is gonna be the last before we see biggest changes in decades anyway.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Manoah2u » Tue May 14, 2019 11:06 am

Zynerji wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:19 pm
Manoah2u wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 5:10 am
fritticaldi wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 4:43 am
Ferrari needs to reinforce their management. A new team principal is needed. Someone like Eric Boulier who is currently unemployed.
#-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o
They are lacking in strategy. Binotto needs to return to his former technical director position. The current car appears to have several flaws. If they were permitted to do private testing the problem would be rectified.
guess what, permission for private testing would make no change as all the teams would have the same and they stay in the same league.

yes they're lacking in strategy, so if anybody, the strategist needs replacement.
Binotto did a fine job with the car last year and this year too but yes, promoting him to TD hampers focus on tech department.

meanwhile, let's be fair here, Vettel more or less gave it away at the first corner by getting in that flat spot.
he went too far, if he braked just moments before he might have even made the corner but at the very least, he'd be in front of Max without a flat spot. But yes, Ferrari - as usual for quite some seasons now - are throwing points out the window with their strategy.

It's a repeat of year after year again. Very strong start, and quickly fading away and seeing strategy problems dooming up.

But again. Bouillier? seriously dude.
Unless you are Mercedes, and you need a secret tyre test to fix your problems...
what a bunch of nonsense, that is so long ago it really doesn't fly anymore, and you're gonna say Ferrari didn't play games like that?

Mercedes officially has no b-team. Yes they have Racing Point and Williams that will provide them data,
but Ferrari has got AlfaRomeo Sauber and Haas for quite some time now working together much more than Mercedes does with the other teams. Yet they have not gotten forward, and when they do, like every start of the past seasons,
the clear problem with Ferrari is not the car, nor how they handle the tires - it's the team's internal structure and strategic decisions. They have worn through a variety of team principals now and this one isn't going to last either.
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by munudeges » Tue May 14, 2019 12:06 pm

e30ernest wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 4:01 am
The car does look like it's lacking in multiple areas compared to the Merc in Barcelona:

https://youtu.be/FQHsKnrOCQw

It just kept losing in every corner. I was really surprised at the gap here.
Given the engine and straight line advantage they seem to have it's all the more striking.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Phil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:13 pm

I'm simply baffled by Ferrari's inability to manage their race without shooting themselves in the foot. The moment Binotto came out and declared Vettel as the number 1, he opened himself to all kinds of scrutiny about when and how their team-orders impacted their results. I more or less got the reasoning behind not allowing Leclerc to pass Vettel in Melbourne, I also got the reasoning behind managing what was supposed to be an easy 1-2 in Bahrain. But what has followed since has been baffling and borderline disturbing, especially in Barcelona, a track where overtaking is next to impossible.

So I understand Vettels pace was extremely compromised due to the flat-spot from T1. I also understand he offered to let Charles by for this reason. Why on earth did it take Ferrari 10 laps to issue the order to have the not-compromised driver not be held up by the compromised one? This is not only about the drivers championship, but it's also about securing as many points as possible for the WCC. It's as if, I don't know, they somehow feel they have to secure every single point for Vettel?

But then why on earth, did it also take them 10 laps to react when Vettel came through on a set of medium tires and a virtual guarantee of a 2-stop strategy vs Leclerc on a potential 1-stop on hards and not have him be held up? It's baffling beyond comprehension.

Managing two similarly paced, talented and hungry drivers ain't easy - but there's a difference in letting them battle it out when they are fighting for the same win or simply trying to achieve the best possible team-result. It's just so weird how Mercedes gets it done properly with less headache between their drivers (at least until now) vs Ferrari who are seemingly doing everything to self-destruct?
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by dans79 » Wed May 15, 2019 3:26 am

LM10 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:32 am
On this note, can't Ferrari already keep more focus on 2021 and use some of this year's budget for it? Or are teams kind of limited with restrictions?
They are only limited by "on" time for the wind tunnel and CFD machines. If they don't violate that, they could spend the rest of the season developing widgets if they wanted to.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by roon » Fri May 17, 2019 4:46 pm

Why was Arrivabene fired? How long will Binotto last?

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by munudeges » Wed May 22, 2019 2:34 pm

roon wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 4:46 pm
Why was Arrivabene fired? How long will Binotto last?
It's Ferrari's fault for coming up with this ridiculous management structure. You've got a Team principal who is also a Technical Director who knows next to nothing about what direction to take with the chassis. It's not a good combination.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Scorpaguy » Wed May 22, 2019 7:20 pm

roon wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 4:46 pm
Why was Arrivabene fired? How long will Binotto last?
Short answer is politics. Arri had the team pretty darn close. However, he was not a favorite of the media, nor some of the brass. Many thought of him as harsh and brash, which i believe to be needed in this ultra competitive environment. It seems the brass thought the 2018 car tech wizard Bino could do the job and not be a prima donna in the process. Arri's axing doomed the Big Red IMHO.

As for Bino, watch Monaco. If it is another Merc cake walk and Red Bull either splits or all out beats Ferrari, he may be lucky to make the season. At this point, he is gone at year's end if he cannot win either the WDC or WCC...which basically means winning out most of the remainder of this year.

Personally, i fear a larger catastrophe. If RB beats us at year's end, the old "Does Ferrari need F1" question will rear its ugly head again. At this point, F1 has lived without a Red champion for some time, so that part of the equation is already answered. With Big Red spending more than Merc, yet getting beat by the Bulls...i can see them leaving for easier pastures (eg LMP1).

Merc is a automotive tech/engineering powerhouse. Ferrari does not have to beat them to remain "interested" in F1, just be competitive (ala 2018). But they HAVE to beat the Bulls to save face...and such seems in jeopardy this year.