Red Bull RB15

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shady
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by shady » Wed May 15, 2019 7:56 am

Peter P. was his protege..

ispano6
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by ispano6 » Wed May 15, 2019 3:46 pm

Yep. If you look at McLaren's bargeboards they look quite similar to Red Bulls. Mercedes does now too. You never know, maybe Adrian is making them think they have the right concept :)

Would not be surprised to see teams mimicking other teams solutions. Just a matter of how quickly and effectively can you develop changes that make a real difference.

JordanMugen
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by JordanMugen » Wed May 15, 2019 4:48 pm

Those carbon-fibre engine hoses --- fancy!! :D
ispano6 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:03 am
It's been noted that Newey has been spending time at the grid examining the McLaren car more than other cars and I found this to be a little telling in what might be in store for RB15s evolution.
It's been on my mind for a year or two and it has to do with the gharial snout nose that Mercedes and now McLaren employ. In particular, the narrowness of the nose is the first anatomical or physiological trait that stands out most and what benefit it brings.
Its design allows for low surface resistance and maximizes air that reaches the bargeboards, making them more effective. Increasing the downforce at the center of chassis and getting more over the diffuser and introducing winglets are likely the next phase.

https://as.com/motor/2019/05/13/formula ... 15842.html
Excellent analysis!

Toro Rosso had that type of nose before (though perhaps not so extreme and without a "cape" behind it)...

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Mamba
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Mamba » Wed May 15, 2019 5:30 pm

JordanMugen wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:48 pm
Those carbon-fibre engine hoses --- fancy!! :D
ispano6 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:03 am
It's been noted that Newey has been spending time at the grid examining the McLaren car more than other cars and I found this to be a little telling in what might be in store for RB15s evolution.
It's been on my mind for a year or two and it has to do with the gharial snout nose that Mercedes and now McLaren employ. In particular, the narrowness of the nose is the first anatomical or physiological trait that stands out most and what benefit it brings.
Its design allows for low surface resistance and maximizes air that reaches the bargeboards, making them more effective. Increasing the downforce at the center of chassis and getting more over the diffuser and introducing winglets are likely the next phase.

https://as.com/motor/2019/05/13/formula ... 15842.html
Excellent analysis!

Toro Rosso had that type of nose before (though perhaps not so extreme and without a "cape" behind it)...

https://realsport101.com/wp-content/upl ... P2_1-1.jpg
The fact that they abandoned that nose-concept for 2018 should be enough telling that the Mercedes nose is not a silver bullet (excuse the pun) to performance gain.

ispano6
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by ispano6 » Thu May 16, 2019 5:30 am

They actually aren't that similar to STR12's nose. Mercedes has the tip of the nose similar to the gharial's nose tip which protrudes up and is wider and the snout portion is narrow. But the connecting stands are narrow too which is peculiar.
There are disadvantages to being too narrow at the tip of the nose due to center of pressure being too narrow at the wing connection and most teams space out the nose to wing stands and Red Bull has one of the widest. Mercedes' gharial concept has evolved and is specialized and what might be necessary to balance the long wheel base.

Mclaren's nose follows a mix of both with the two side inlets of the nose feeding into the winglets attached to the nose cone. This is pretty clever. But Giorgio Piola didn't seem convinced whether or not McLaren's package would deliver and withheld judgement for after the race. Haven't heard of his post race analysis but he seemed pretty impressed with Red Bull's upgrades.


lio007
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by lio007 » Thu May 16, 2019 5:43 am

ispano6 wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:30 am
They actually aren't that similar to STR12's nose. Mercedes has the tip of the nose similar to the gharial's nose tip which protrudes up and is wider and the snout portion is narrow. But the connecting stands are narrow too which is peculiar.
There are disadvantages to being too narrow at the tip of the nose due to center of pressure being too narrow at the wing connection and most teams space out the nose to wing stands and Red Bull has one of the widest. Mercedes' gharial concept has evolved and is specialized and what might be necessary to balance the long wheel base.

Mclaren's nose follows a mix of both with the two side inlets of the nose feeding into the winglets attached to the nose cone. This is pretty clever. But Giorgio Piola didn't seem convinced whether or not McLaren's package would deliver and withheld judgement for after the race. Haven't heard of his post race analysis but he seemed pretty impressed with Red Bull's upgrades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCWissf-Hc0
I don't get what was "so new" on RB15's FW (as mentioned in the Video)?

Bandit1216
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Bandit1216 » Thu May 16, 2019 7:02 am

lio007 wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:43 am
ispano6 wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:30 am
They actually aren't that similar to STR12's nose. Mercedes has the tip of the nose similar to the gharial's nose tip which protrudes up and is wider and the snout portion is narrow. But the connecting stands are narrow too which is peculiar.
There are disadvantages to being too narrow at the tip of the nose due to center of pressure being too narrow at the wing connection and most teams space out the nose to wing stands and Red Bull has one of the widest. Mercedes' gharial concept has evolved and is specialized and what might be necessary to balance the long wheel base.

Mclaren's nose follows a mix of both with the two side inlets of the nose feeding into the winglets attached to the nose cone. This is pretty clever. But Giorgio Piola didn't seem convinced whether or not McLaren's package would deliver and withheld judgement for after the race. Haven't heard of his post race analysis but he seemed pretty impressed with Red Bull's upgrades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCWissf-Hc0
I don't get what was "so new" on RB15's FW (as mentioned in the Video)?
I think he says the "new front wing is on both cars, but completely new updated barge boards". So he doesn't really say the front wing is very new.

zibby43
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by zibby43 » Thu May 16, 2019 8:20 pm

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bigblue
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by bigblue » Thu May 16, 2019 11:46 pm

Whoah, that's a big one.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Blaze1 » Fri May 17, 2019 4:54 am

bigblue wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:46 pm
Whoah, that's a big one.
That's what she sa...! Oh, never mind.

ispano6
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by ispano6 » Fri May 17, 2019 4:58 am

Tighter bodywork from the "free gains" available in the 4 to 5 areas RB wanted to address?

seense
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by seense » Fri May 17, 2019 12:09 pm

Now also clearly visible on car pictures: sidepod openings shrank in Spain.

Baku
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Spain
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lio007
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by lio007 » Fri May 17, 2019 1:19 pm

seense wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:09 pm
Now also clearly visible on car pictures: sidepod openings shrank in Spain.

Baku
https://verstappen.nl/img/2019/Formule_ ... 08-20b.jpg

Spain
https://verstappen.nl/img/2019/Formule_ ... gb-12b.jpg
Really? I can't see it!

seense
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by seense » Fri May 17, 2019 1:29 pm

It now has a concave curvature just below the sidepod wing. Before it had a convex curvature all around.

zibby43
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by zibby43 » Fri May 17, 2019 5:52 pm

ispano6 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 4:58 am
Tighter bodywork from the "free gains" available in the 4 to 5 areas RB wanted to address?
It's an area I've been keeping an eye on lately, that's for certain.