If only.... shark fin will return in F1 2022 or not

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Vote: F1 2022 car, without or with shark fin?

Without
26
72%
With
10
28%
 
Total votes: 36

theriusDR3
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If only.... shark fin will return in F1 2022 or not

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I honestly choose with shark fin because to make room for sponsors and also aerodynamic improvement.

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Only if no sponsors on the fin.

It must have the driver's number in large, bright colour to help Croft work out who is in the car.

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Herr_Koos
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I never liked the shark fins. Don't want anything interfering with the nice clean lines of the new cars.

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I dislike the fin immensely.
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I see no reason to want the full shark fin back, they are beyond ugly

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strad
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The should get rid of the fin for aesthetic reasons but mostly because it is what made them so susceptible to being disturbed by winds. Cross winds in particular.
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strad wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:29 pm
The should get rid of the fin for aesthetic reasons but mostly because it is what made them so susceptible to being disturbed by winds. Cross winds in particular.
I thought it SOLVED the crosswind problemπŸ€”

I love the look of the 3/4 fins, and it's a great driver number space for the fans to see.

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Zynerji wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:34 am
strad wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:29 pm
The should get rid of the fin for aesthetic reasons but mostly because it is what made them so susceptible to being disturbed by winds. Cross winds in particular.
I thought it SOLVED the crosswind problemπŸ€”

I love the look of the 3/4 fins, and it's a great driver number space for the fans to see.
Fin helps yaw stability but in gusting crosswinds will create a problem with shifting balance. Much like the unnecessarily massive rear wing endplates.
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Exactly... The more surface area the more the winds will affect the cars stability.
Compare a Van or station wagon/estate wagon to something sleeker in the wind on the freeway. :wink:
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strad wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:24 pm
Exactly... The more surface area the more the winds will affect the cars stability.
Compare a Van or station wagon/estate wagon to something sleeker in the wind on the freeway. :wink:

The fin improves yaw stability since the aerodynamic force acting on the fin acts rearwards of the CofG and moves the centre of pressure rearwards in a cross wind which provides a stabilising moment

Not to mention the lateral side force which contributes to cornering forces

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Puzzleheaded_Ice wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:51 pm
strad wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:24 pm
Exactly... The more surface area the more the winds will affect the cars stability.
Compare a Van or station wagon/estate wagon to something sleeker in the wind on the freeway. :wink:

The fin improves yaw stability since the aerodynamic force acting on the fin acts rearwards of the CofG and moves the centre of pressure rearwards in a cross wind which provides a stabilising moment

Not to mention the lateral side force which contributes to cornering forces
Plus, it "simplifies" the airflow to the rear wing, which needs less CFD, tweaking, etc to compute and therefore brings the field closer together.

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Jolle wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:26 pm
Puzzleheaded_Ice wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:51 pm
strad wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:24 pm
Exactly... The more surface area the more the winds will affect the cars stability.
Compare a Van or station wagon/estate wagon to something sleeker in the wind on the freeway. :wink:

The fin improves yaw stability since the aerodynamic force acting on the fin acts rearwards of the CofG and moves the centre of pressure rearwards in a cross wind which provides a stabilising moment

Not to mention the lateral side force which contributes to cornering forces
Plus, it "simplifies" the airflow to the rear wing, which needs less CFD, tweaking, etc to compute and therefore brings the field closer together.
That's not quite true, the flowfield will be different but not simpler.

We dont run any less CFD runs whether you have a shark fin or not, we just keep developing the wing