2021 Alpine F1 Team

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Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 am
godlameroso wrote:
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Too much drag, new package added more downforce than anticipated at the rear.
Source?

That would be a sweet problem, wouldn´t be?
Check the speeds on the straight without DRS, he was using up all the battery elsewhere in the lap. It's why his qualifying pace was higher than his race pace. In qualifying you don't need to keep the battery topped off for the straights, it's one lap and done. It is a sweet problem to have, a problem nevertheless, you have to tweak the balance of the rest of the car to suit. Or make changes to the package so that it is optimized, it takes a few GP's to get that sorted. It's encouraging to know they're going in the right direction, once the car gets to its happy place, Alonso can do Alonso things.
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Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 am
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:14 pm
Too much drag, new package added more downforce than anticipated at the rear.
Source?

That would be a sweet problem, wouldn´t be?
Yeah, doudt that's true. If it was they would have been able to reduce the rear wing and get less draggy DF with the floor.

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godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:46 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 am
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:14 pm
Too much drag, new package added more downforce than anticipated at the rear.
Source?

That would be a sweet problem, wouldn´t be?
Check the speeds on the straight without DRS, he was using up all the battery elsewhere in the lap. It's why his qualifying pace was higher than his race pace. In qualifying you don't need to keep the battery topped off for the straights, it's one lap and done. It is a sweet problem to have, a problem nevertheless, you have to tweak the balance of the rest of the car to suit. Or make changes to the package so that it is optimized, it takes a few GP's to get that sorted. It's encouraging to know they're going in the right direction, once the car gets to its happy place, Alonso can do Alonso things.
Well in Quali he would have had DRS. However unlikely it is possible that he never got DRS in the race. That would explain the lack of top speed in the race.



I doudt he wasn't deploying down the straight. To much time would be lost if you didn't on a straight that long. Also where you deploy is something they can change on the fly.

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diffuser wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:10 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:46 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 am


Source?

That would be a sweet problem, wouldn´t be?
Check the speeds on the straight without DRS, he was using up all the battery elsewhere in the lap. It's why his qualifying pace was higher than his race pace. In qualifying you don't need to keep the battery topped off for the straights, it's one lap and done. It is a sweet problem to have, a problem nevertheless, you have to tweak the balance of the rest of the car to suit. Or make changes to the package so that it is optimized, it takes a few GP's to get that sorted. It's encouraging to know they're going in the right direction, once the car gets to its happy place, Alonso can do Alonso things.
Well in Quali he would have had DRS. However unlikely it is possible that he never got DRS in the race. That would explain the lack of top speed in the race.



I doubt he wasn't deploying down the straight. To much time would be lost if you didn't on a straight that long. Also where you deploy is something they can change on the fly.
That is true.
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Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:47 am
The thing about top speeds is certainly interesting, and I didn't know about it yet. Perhaps this is also due to Alonso not being close to anyone in most of the race. He was typically too slow and lost ground to the cars ahead while getting overtaken by the likes of Ricciardo and Sainz.
Also at the restarts, you could see that Alonso made the most of the first lap in the restart, and then was settled and could only really focus on the cars behind him, as he has basically punched above his weight on the restarts.

I think the comment about Goran above about high CofG comes from the high radiators in the bulky airbox.

From the pictures we've seen over in A521, it's just a empty airbox. Since we had regulation restricitions, Alpine were limited in what they could change. They choose to make the bulky airbox so they could move the rad that was in front of the (upper roll hope air intake) tube that Fed air the turbos to behind it. To acheive that they split the upper air intake and made the lower air intake go between the upper air intake and connect to the rad, now further back(behind the upper air intake). I beleive they had issues with cooling in the lower air intake last year as the upper air tube was restricting airflow through the lower air intake. Also the lower air intake's Rad air outlet was feeding out up against the upper air intake and heating it(not ideal).



2020 - Just imaging stand upright with you legs together (you're the tube that fed the turbos) and a hot air tube pointing at your knees(lower air intake).
2021 - Then imagin standing with your legs spread apart, the hot air tube being lengthened and passing between your legs to come out behind you.

Every team has a rad there that I've seen. McLaren do.


That's my opinion anyways. I just can't imagin them spend a ton of $$ in changing all the rads in the final season of these regs. A quick and dirty move to get more power and better airflow in the PU compartment I beleive.

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diffuser wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:01 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 am
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:14 pm
Too much drag, new package added more downforce than anticipated at the rear.
Source?

That would be a sweet problem, wouldn´t be?
Yeah, doudt that's true. If it was they would have been able to reduce the rear wing and get less draggy DF with the floor.
First time they run a new aero package. Probably didn't expect certain behaviors and came ill equipped to balance the car properly.

We see this a lot, RBR took a few races to dial in the updates they added because it changed the balance of the car.

The FW changes and the gurney tab on the outer section was part of that balancing act. They improved the rear end and had to make a new rear wing to compensate, and reduced the flex in one go.
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godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:46 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 am
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:14 pm
Too much drag, new package added more downforce than anticipated at the rear.
Source?

That would be a sweet problem, wouldn´t be?
Check the speeds on the straight without DRS, he was using up all the battery elsewhere in the lap. It's why his qualifying pace was higher than his race pace. In qualifying you don't need to keep the battery topped off for the straights, it's one lap and done. It is a sweet problem to have, a problem nevertheless, you have to tweak the balance of the rest of the car to suit. Or make changes to the package so that it is optimized, it takes a few GP's to get that sorted. It's encouraging to know they're going in the right direction, once the car gets to its happy place, Alonso can do Alonso things.
Ok but I was asking about the source of the "more downforce than anticipated at the rear" claim. A poor top speed can be the product of a million things (from higher DF setting than the rest to a conservative setting of the PU to prevent a second failure after Ocon retirement) but your statement is quite concise. Is that your own reasoning? Or did you read/hear it somewhere?

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Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:46 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 am


Source?

That would be a sweet problem, wouldn´t be?
Check the speeds on the straight without DRS, he was using up all the battery elsewhere in the lap. It's why his qualifying pace was higher than his race pace. In qualifying you don't need to keep the battery topped off for the straights, it's one lap and done. It is a sweet problem to have, a problem nevertheless, you have to tweak the balance of the rest of the car to suit. Or make changes to the package so that it is optimized, it takes a few GP's to get that sorted. It's encouraging to know they're going in the right direction, once the car gets to its happy place, Alonso can do Alonso things.
Ok but I was asking about the source of the "more downforce than anticipated at the rear" claim. A poor top speed can be the product of a million things (from higher DF setting than the rest to a conservative setting of the PU to prevent a second failure after Ocon retirement) but your statement is quite concise. Is that your own reasoning? Or did you read/hear it somewhere?
Yes, I just added 2 + 2 and got 4.3 :)
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godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:38 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:46 pm


Check the speeds on the straight without DRS, he was using up all the battery elsewhere in the lap. It's why his qualifying pace was higher than his race pace. In qualifying you don't need to keep the battery topped off for the straights, it's one lap and done. It is a sweet problem to have, a problem nevertheless, you have to tweak the balance of the rest of the car to suit. Or make changes to the package so that it is optimized, it takes a few GP's to get that sorted. It's encouraging to know they're going in the right direction, once the car gets to its happy place, Alonso can do Alonso things.
Ok but I was asking about the source of the "more downforce than anticipated at the rear" claim. A poor top speed can be the product of a million things (from higher DF setting than the rest to a conservative setting of the PU to prevent a second failure after Ocon retirement) but your statement is quite concise. Is that your own reasoning? Or did you read/hear it somewhere?
Yes, I just added 2 + 2 and got 4.3 :)
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godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:38 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:46 pm


Check the speeds on the straight without DRS, he was using up all the battery elsewhere in the lap. It's why his qualifying pace was higher than his race pace. In qualifying you don't need to keep the battery topped off for the straights, it's one lap and done. It is a sweet problem to have, a problem nevertheless, you have to tweak the balance of the rest of the car to suit. Or make changes to the package so that it is optimized, it takes a few GP's to get that sorted. It's encouraging to know they're going in the right direction, once the car gets to its happy place, Alonso can do Alonso things.
Ok but I was asking about the source of the "more downforce than anticipated at the rear" claim. A poor top speed can be the product of a million things (from higher DF setting than the rest to a conservative setting of the PU to prevent a second failure after Ocon retirement) but your statement is quite concise. Is that your own reasoning? Or did you read/hear it somewhere?
Yes, I just added 2 + 2 and got 4.3 :)
:lol: :lol: :lol: =D>

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Andres125sx wrote:
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A poor top speed can be the product of a million things (from higher DF setting than the rest to a conservative setting of the PU to prevent a second failure after Ocon retirement)
Not to belabor this point but we were talking about why most teams top speed at the finish line increased significantly from quali to the race but Alpine's stayed the same. Alpine went from top 3 in quali to near the bottom. Pretty significant when the cars were in parc-fermes. Alonso didn't mention turning down the pu.

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Has the steering change been implemented yet for Alonso?

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Has the steering change been implemented yet for Alonso?
Next race.

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So, what's the story with the engine deployment issues?? Does anyone know whats going on ??
Again Alonso complaining about deployment on at least 2 occasions during the race.
No one talks about that post race, its like a little secret within the team but it seems to be an ongoing problem because this is not the first time we are hearing about it.

Do we have any info on this ?? What may be the cause of the problem ??
Even if they did this as a precaution after Ocon dnf, again, this is not the first time we are hearing about deployment issues.

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So, what's the story with the engine deployment issues?? Does anyone know whats going on ??
Again Alonso complaining about deployment on at least 2 occasions during the race.
No one talks about that post race, its like a little secret within the team but it seems to be an ongoing problem because this is not the first time we are hearing about it.

Do we have any info on this ?? What may be the cause of the problem ??
Even if they did this as a precaution after Ocon dnf, again, this is not the first time we are hearing about deployment issues.
Explains why he was so slow down the back straight.

They are very tight lipped about it. Alonso doesn't even mention it. Maybe that's why he so pumped about France, he gets a new PU?

But you're right we've heard about Alonso having deployment issues in 3 races.