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Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 09 Aug 2017, 15:19
by PlatinumZealot
restless wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 08:16
Just read something related to TJI - Mazda plan to use such technique in their cars since 2019 - Spark Controlled Compression Ignition (SPCCI). They'll use supercharger...
And given 2019 as delivering to the market means they already have it working, right?
A bit strange that its not F1 participant who goes first with such engine
Still not TJI. But let us not divert the topic from the Honda Power unit.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 09 Aug 2017, 19:18
by dren
Recent article has Hasegawa stating current spec power output is basically where they wanted to be at the start of the season.
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/143033-hon ... nce-target
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 09 Aug 2017, 21:25
by Joseki
So they are presumably 15-20 hp behind Mercedes 2016 and maybe 55-60 hp behind the current leaders, but it does seem a bit optimistic to me.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 09 Aug 2017, 21:48
by godlameroso
Apparently the next update should bring that extra 10-15hp, I'm more interested in the October update though, if it even materializes. Getting the gap under a second this season would be a huge achievement for McLaren and Honda, it would put them in a decent position for next year.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 01:07
by Joseki
A big update will also make the sponsors and Fernando happier, and I also think that Honda's board is starting to expect results soon.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 11:23
by 63l8qrrfy6
I think if they manage to do well at Spa and Monza with no DNFs or grid penalties they are on the right path.
That as well as a few more points would be proof of real, tangible progress.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 11:24
by Joseki
Grid penalties are a given, they will have new units and maybe use both races to stockpile elements.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 15:58
by gofast182
Joseki wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 11:24
Grid penalties are a given, they will have new units and maybe use both races to stockpile elements.
Agreed and going through that pain at the most strategic time is a good approach because, unfortunately, there is no way to avoid penalties as they implement the last Spec. 3 changes and eventually Spec. 4. To the extent people's memories are short (and many casual fans/observers/social media pundits do have short memories) if they can end the season on a high note it will do wonders for McLaren Honda considering where they started.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 16:03
by dren
gofast182 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 15:58
Joseki wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 11:24
Grid penalties are a given, they will have new units and maybe use both races to stockpile elements.
Agreed and going through that pain at the most strategic time is a good approach because, unfortunately, there is no way to avoid penalties as they implement the last Spec. 3 changes and eventually Spec. 4. To the extent people's memories are short (and many casual fans/observers/social media pundits do have short memories) if they can end the season on a high note it will do wonders for McLaren Honda considering where they started.
If Honda can show they have improved the reliability, that will be a big boost going into next year. The focus can be entirely on performance updates. Something to note, Mclaren has finished more racing laps this year than Red Bull to date.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 19:22
by daverdfw
dren wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 16:03
gofast182 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 15:58
Joseki wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 11:24
Grid penalties are a given, they will have new units and maybe use both races to stockpile elements.
Agreed and going through that pain at the most strategic time is a good approach because, unfortunately, there is no way to avoid penalties as they implement the last Spec. 3 changes and eventually Spec. 4. To the extent people's memories are short (and many casual fans/observers/social media pundits do have short memories) if they can end the season on a high note it will do wonders for McLaren Honda considering where they started.
If Honda can show they have improved the reliability, that will be a big boost going into next year. The focus can be entirely on performance updates. Something to note, Mclaren has finished more racing laps this year than Red Bull to date.
pretty sure RedBull has lost more laps because of Verstappen than reliability issues.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 19:30
by MrPotatoHead
daverdfw wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 19:22
dren wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 16:03
gofast182 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 15:58
Agreed and going through that pain at the most strategic time is a good approach because, unfortunately, there is no way to avoid penalties as they implement the last Spec. 3 changes and eventually Spec. 4. To the extent people's memories are short (and many casual fans/observers/social media pundits do have short memories) if they can end the season on a high note it will do wonders for McLaren Honda considering where they started.
If Honda can show they have improved the reliability, that will be a big boost going into next year. The focus can be entirely on performance updates. Something to note, Mclaren has finished more racing laps this year than Red Bull to date.
pretty sure RedBull has lost more laps because of Verstappen than reliability issues.
Sad but true!
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 20:32
by 63l8qrrfy6
Joseki wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 11:24
Grid penalties are a given, they will have new units and maybe use both races to stockpile elements.
Surely they won't have to pull another 'strategic penalty' in the next couple races ? They've only just done it at Silverstone.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 21:05
by Peter1919
Joseki wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 11:24
Grid penalties are a given, they will have new units and maybe use both races to stockpile elements.
My understanding is that the rules were changed for this season so you can't take multiple penalties in one race in order to stockpile elements the way Lewis did last season. So they can change each component only once barring a failure of the second component.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 21:23
by dren
daverdfw wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 19:22
dren wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 16:03
gofast182 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 15:58
Agreed and going through that pain at the most strategic time is a good approach because, unfortunately, there is no way to avoid penalties as they implement the last Spec. 3 changes and eventually Spec. 4. To the extent people's memories are short (and many casual fans/observers/social media pundits do have short memories) if they can end the season on a high note it will do wonders for McLaren Honda considering where they started.
If Honda can show they have improved the reliability, that will be a big boost going into next year. The focus can be entirely on performance updates. Something to note, Mclaren has finished more racing laps this year than Red Bull to date.
pretty sure RedBull has lost more laps because of Verstappen than reliability issues.
Unreliable driver
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 21:46
by taperoo2k
Mudflap wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 20:32
Joseki wrote: ↑10 Aug 2017, 11:24
Grid penalties are a given, they will have new units and maybe use both races to stockpile elements.
Surely they won't have to pull another 'strategic penalty' in the next couple races ? They've only just done it at Silverstone.
If it's new parts then yes they will take penalties now, so they are in good shape to have a crack at scoring more points before the end of the season.