But we've lost the blown diffusers so perhaps they won't have the same advantage.n smikle wrote:The 20mm shallower box is going to hurt everybody more than RedBull. Remember how RedBull were running very shallow wings at places that required medium downforce??!
Im pretty certain he centre beams are back for 2014, thats what most are predicting, and swan necks are certainly the best choice, may be hard to implement due to restrictions...Lycoming wrote:They haven't run pillars in the center of any kind for some time now and I don't recall any regulation will force them to, so why would they run swan necks next year? No pillar at all is better than a swan neck pillar.
LMP cars have it because their wings are much wider and the bending moment is so large that supporting it only at the ends is rather impractical. An F1 rear wing is narrower and thicker, so it can support the bending moment created by aerodynamic downforce without center supports.
The only reason I can think of to have pillars is to limit lateral deflection of the wing, but that doesn't seem to be something the teams care about.
Previously the load was supported by the beam wing, which is now gone.Lycoming wrote:They haven't run pillars in the center of any kind for some time now and I don't recall any regulation will force them to, so why would they run swan necks next year? No pillar at all is better than a swan neck pillar.
I don't think swan necks can be used as they would be outside the allowed bodywork zones.CoventryClimax wrote:Im pretty certain he centre beams are back for 2014, thats what most are predicting, and swan necks are certainly the best choice, may be hard to implement due to restrictions...Lycoming wrote:They haven't run pillars in the center of any kind for some time now and I don't recall any regulation will force them to, so why would they run swan necks next year? No pillar at all is better than a swan neck pillar.
LMP cars have it because their wings are much wider and the bending moment is so large that supporting it only at the ends is rather impractical. An F1 rear wing is narrower and thicker, so it can support the bending moment created by aerodynamic downforce without center supports.
The only reason I can think of to have pillars is to limit lateral deflection of the wing, but that doesn't seem to be something the teams care about.
And lose downforce?wesley123 wrote:Then you bring back the wing chord enough to make the swan necks fit.
Thanks Ringoringo wrote:Amazing modeling work!! =D>Mitsuro Sano wrote:
That's a good looking car you got there.
You mean, the downforce that is most likely double lost by the pillars having in the way? Seriously, a 3cm loss in chord length over a really small width is hardly missing any profile, and is enough to give room for the swan necks.wuzak wrote:And lose downforce?wesley123 wrote:Then you bring back the wing chord enough to make the swan necks fit.
Afaik it falls in the same box as the shark fin doesHolm86 wrote:Wouldn't it be in the 150mm exclusion zone anyways??
won't get that extreme, there's no difference there between the possibility between wing parts or normal nose parts that can fly off in a incident. there's been plenty front wings flying everywhere because of contact and nobody got the worse of that.....ergenomic wrote:These vanity panels flying around the place in a collision, at the drivers head level and possible to be thrown into the crowd. These are not tethered and could actually cause a lot of damage or worse. Would hate to see a bad situation arise from badly written rules.
What a stupid solution a vanity panel is!