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Posted: **12 Jan 2014, 10:05**

Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Gary Anderson's idea of what some of the 2014 noses may look like.. Which is a bit different to some of the other designs we've seen put forth.

http://imageshack.com/a/img600/8234/672q.jpg
via AutoSport

That was my thinking but I had the pillars attached to the lower nose which I would have thought would give cleaner airflow under the car.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 60#p468960

Posted: **12 Jan 2014, 12:03**

CoventryClimax wrote:
Lycoming wrote:They haven't run pillars in the center of any kind for some time now and I don't recall any regulation will force them to, so why would they run swan necks next year? No pillar at all is better than a swan neck pillar.

LMP cars have it because their wings are much wider and the bending moment is so large that supporting it only at the ends is rather impractical. An F1 rear wing is narrower and thicker, so it can support the bending moment created by aerodynamic downforce without center supports.

The only reason I can think of to have pillars is to limit lateral deflection of the wing, but that doesn't seem to be something the teams care about.
Im pretty certain he centre beams are back for 2014, thats what most are predicting, and swan necks are certainly the best choice, may be hard to implement due to restrictions...

Do they need to be though? Wouldn't it be better to beef up the rear wing endplates and whatever they mount onto?

If there are mandated RW support pillars, are there any regulations regarding them? If they're mandatory, why not use a bit of wire in tension (the thinnest metal-ish thing I can think of) between the bottom of the main wing and a more solid (but still scrawny) bit 300mm below. Heck, if there is a minimum thickness, you could bend it backwards and attach it to the DERS flap, behind the important downforce-generating surface, and you could maybe even use it as a sort of double-DRS thing.

Posted: **12 Jan 2014, 12:41**

I think that certain teams may very well be happy with flexing the floor at higher speeds - then they won't miss the coanda exhausts. Remember, it just has to pass the test...and hold through the race.

Posted: **12 Jan 2014, 13:07**

A question; Must the spnindles that attach the floor to the coque, to the engine, to the gerabox etc be within the bodywork ?

Posted: **12 Jan 2014, 16:39**

Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Gary Anderson's idea of what some of the 2014 noses may look like.. Which is a bit different to some of the other designs we've seen put forth.

http://imageshack.com/a/img600/8234/672q.jpg
via AutoSport

I posted a similar design to that a while back although i had the pillars attached to the lower nose.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 60#p468960

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 02:22**

sorry I was wrong threat

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 02:50**

re the caterham, this was all posted ages ago.. read this and the caterham thread

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 18:51**

idfx wrote:Caterham -> Sequence Screenshot chassis crash test - 2014 - by IDFX
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Post more tomorrow, the sequence of 0:29. This larger images have more quality
Thanks

edit----
Are two nozzles. The nozzle has a drop down format, is attached directly to the front wing. I believe that Interpretation: A nozzle (top) connected with a front wing with a small rise (drop nozzle) and the columns would be displaced upwards. With that grew louder and the hole also.

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Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 18:58**

Lazy wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Gary Anderson's idea of what some of the 2014 noses may look like.. Which is a bit different to some of the other designs we've seen put forth.

http://imageshack.com/a/img600/8234/672q.jpg
via AutoSport
That was my thinking but I had the pillars attached to the lower nose which I would have thought would give cleaner airflow under the car.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 60#p468960

i'd have thought the same

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 20:17**

This reminds me of old slalom kayak designs.
The rules state that the boat has to be a certain length.
A tiny piece of bamboo / dowell sticking out of the end is effectively a part of the hull and therefore the short boat conforms to the rules.
Smart designers will always find a way around the rules (especially badly worded rules)!

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 20:29**

Love your modelling work @Mitsuro Sano!

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 22:52**

Lazy wrote: I posted a similar design to that a while back although i had the pillars attached to the lower nose.

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 60#p468960

Actually, this could potentially have been close to the Lotus E22 design which the FIA apparently didn't like.
And yes it probably makes sense from an aerodynamic perspective.

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 22:57**

ringo wrote:
something like this may work, dont mind the quality of the image.

I dig this. Legal or not?

Posted: **13 Jan 2014, 23:34**

Not legal. You'll have to go back all of 5 pages to find out why.

Posted: **14 Jan 2014, 01:30**

And how about the 2006 McLaren MP4-21 nose?

Not taking it literally, of course. But might something like this approach be suitable?

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