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santos wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2017, 18:23

I thought that this trick about using oil to gain performance was only used in qualifying.

ringo wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2017, 16:48

I think the rules changes don't point to what is being done. The new rules are being proactive in preventing such things from being done.
I think oil burning is a non-story; just a distraction from the real performance differentiators; the combustion, MGUH and deployment scheduling.

restless wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2017, 22:44

In qualy fuel-flow is limited to 100kg/h, but oil-flow is unlimited ...
They can burn even 1l/minute for 2 laps in Q3, with ~ fuel limited to ~1.5l/lap, thats huge

ringo wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2017, 16:48

I think the rules changes don't point to what is being done. The new rules are being proactive in preventing such things from being done.
I think oil burning is a non-story; just a distraction from the real performance differentiators; the combustion, MGUH and deployment scheduling.

amho wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2017, 20:14

harjan wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2017, 19:57

The fuel cell is max 105 liters- why are you using 126 kg?

The 100 kg/h is a max, but on part/off throttle they’re using less.

126 kg is for 1.258 hour of monza is equal to fuel rate of 100kg/hour.
if we add 3.128 kg of oil during that 1.258 hour to 125.8 kg fuel then total fuel mass flow rate is 102.480 kg/hour.

Hasegawa:

Asked if there would be any changes to the way of working with McLaren now the partnership is coming to an end, Hasegawa replied: "Yes. One of the points is we want to minimize the engine upgrades for the rest of the season, but that is because we'd like to get the maximum results within this year.

"Previously we just prioritized the performance improvement, because any improvement is continuing for next year, so we didn't need to hesitate to introduce upgrades. But now we won't be working together with Stoffel [Vandoorne] and Fernando [Alonso] next year, that means we want to concentrate on this year's results for McLaren.

"I prefer to score more points this year – I'd like to contribute to this team, most of all. But of course if we can get some huge upgrade then we don't need to wait and don't need to hesitate to take a penalty."

"We have another six races left, so we may introduce one more engine as a plan. That could maybe be in Malaysia, Suzuka or the U.S. [COTA]. From that point of view we will try and avoid the penalty in Suzuka obviously, and the U.S. could be a very good potential circuit for us based on the last year's results. So from that point of view Malaysia could be a chance but it's too soon to say. It will be difficult so I cannot confirm."

http://www.racer.com/f1/item/144413-hon ... -penalties

HPD wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2017, 04:11

Hasegawa:

"We have another six races left, so we may introduce one more engine as a plan. That could maybe be in Malaysia, Suzuka or the U.S. [COTA]. From that point of view we will try and avoid the penalty in Suzuka obviously, and the U.S. could be a very good potential circuit for us based on the last year's results. So from that point of view Malaysia could be a chance but it's too soon to say. It will be difficult so I cannot confirm."

http://www.racer.com/f1/item/144413-hon ... -penalties

restless wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2017, 17:02

Damn it but almost sounds like no spec4 this year...

Helmut Marko: "We contacted Honda and did some research ourselves," explains the Red Bull Motorsportberater in an interview with ORF. "What Honda has told us, and what we have found out, makes us look optimistic about the future." As you can see from McLaren, both cars are in the top position (in the starting position in Singapore) 10, the engine is on the advance, and we know what is going on in the background. "

agree with you. Now we have the spec 3.7 so the maximum we will see will be a 3.8 or 3.9

2018 looks promising:

Helmut Marko: "We contacted Honda and did some research ourselves," explains the Red Bull Motorsportberater in an interview with ORF. "What Honda has told us, and what we have found out, makes us look optimistic about the future." As you can see from McLaren, both cars are in the top position (in the starting position in Singapore) 10, the engine is on the advance, and we know what is going on in the background. "

what do you know Marko? tell us .. mclaren chassis (? (it's a joke, relax)

restless wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2017, 17:02

HPD wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2017, 04:11

Hasegawa:

"We have another six races left, so we may introduce one more engine as a plan. That could maybe be in Malaysia, Suzuka or the U.S. [COTA]. From that point of view we will try and avoid the penalty in Suzuka obviously, and the U.S. could be a very good potential circuit for us based on the last year's results. So from that point of view Malaysia could be a chance but it's too soon to say. It will be difficult so I cannot confirm."

http://www.racer.com/f1/item/144413-hon ... -penalties

Damn it but almost sounds like no spec4 this year...

That's what I've been trying to say all this time. Hasegawa-san's comment was so PC, very clever./quote]

what if honda bring the spec 4, they are trying to bring it malaysia. gives it more track testing and improve on it for next year.

ringo wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2017, 16:48

I think the rules changes don't point to what is being done. The new rules are being proactive in preventing such things from being done.
I think oil burning is a non-story; just a distraction from the real performance differentiators; the combustion, MGUH and deployment scheduling.