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That article is really interesting ! I would add that these tyres destroys not only the racing but also the qualifying. 2013 the year of the world taxi drivers championship ?

Yeah yeah... the Sauber is a very good car or atleast as good as the last one, that's why it qualifies 13th and 15th at every GP...
Yeah it's because of the tires and only the tires, not the car...
And yeah the Ferrari drivers (and the numbers) are lying when they say they were driving flat-out in Barcelona... The Lotus engineers and Raikkonen are lying too when they praise their particular attention on the suspensions and when KR says they do not need to run at 80% like some other drivers say...
Maybe AMuS is fantasizing too (it would not be the first time though) when they say RBR is suffering because of more complex and aerodynamic reason than the composition of the tires...

It's easier to rely on simplistic analyses nowadays and even rely on Moncao GP to judge the tires

diffuser wrote:

In my Opinion "the tire" issue has only become what it is because certain teams and drivers are trying to effect change in the tire spec. They are trying to effect this change cause they poorly prepared for this specific spec of tire in the off season. There should be a penalty for complaining about the tires. They should be treated as officials get treated in many sports. You complain against the officiating both the driver and the team get fined.

What about disgruntled fans who can't cope with the fact that their favorite team/driver are not winning?

SectorOne wrote:The only reason Ferrari and Lotus is quiet is because the tires happened to work brilliantly for their cars.
Had we gotten super durable tires they would have started screaming just like RBR and Merc do today.

Well, in 2011, when Ferrari couldn't switch the tires on and couldn't work the hard compound at all, instead of complaining about it, they tried to fix the issue. As far as saying the tires just happened to work on the Ferrari and Lotus, they were both good on the tire degradation last year. When the tires completely changed, they're good again. That sounds to me like they understand tires better than red Bull or Merc. I know Ferrari hired the old Bridgestone tech director to help them understand tires.

Pierce89 wrote:

SectorOne wrote:The only reason Ferrari and Lotus is quiet is because the tires happened to work brilliantly for their cars.
Had we gotten super durable tires they would have started screaming just like RBR and Merc do today.

Well, in 2011, when Ferrari couldn't switch the tires on and couldn't work the hard compound at all,

But that was with 2011 tires. I´d imagine if they ran 2013 tires they would be leading the pack because it sure seems like not having the quickest car is absolutely the best choice for gathering points.

Dragonfly wrote:What about disgruntled fans who can't cope with the fact that their favorite team/driver are not winning

Pre-Pirelli, fans understood better why their team didn't win. It was due to engine not good enough, aero not good enough, driver not good enough, technical innovation not good enough, overall package not good enough. Now, fans are disgruntled because they don't understand why. When a car performs one week, not the next, and the team comments published "they don't understand why" while the driver states "the tyres are crap" well, the link is then drawn. Fans then associate the tyres with poor or flaky performance. Remember, the vast majority of fans do not dig into the complexities of the sport - they simply see the race result with the published comments. The conclusion is the fact they take away. This is not new.

Teams know this. To use it as an advantage is smart and just as effective as any Regulation loophole. There is nothing in the Regulations against using the media to effect change. Remember (@turbof1 - this is for you):

Cam wrote:"Spirit of the rules" doesn't play a part in sport (well, maybe when you're 3). You either abide by the rules or you don't. You ether comply or you don't. Spirit of the rules Thread - Thu Jul 26, 2012

One can't complain about using some loopholes and not others. You either accept the rules in play or accept none of them. You cannot pick and choose when it suits. Just as this is true for fans, it's also true for Pirelli, Mercedes, Ferrari, RedBull etc.

GTSpeedster wrote:So... Lewis Hamilton was tweeting about being in FLORIDA while he was in fact at the secret test in Barcelona. Interesting... But it wasn't a secret! Not a secret at all.

"Been at the Blackberry Event today in Orlando & bumped in @aliciakeys much love Alicia, keep doing your thing! pic.twitter.com/hi0DF2hZHe"
https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/statu ... 5909804033

"This was on the way to the hotel in Orlando! Wish I had time to hit the park. http://t.co/zvwjKqBYSI"
https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/statu ... 2570549248

He was there according to
http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3 ... erry-show/

Since it was a 3 day test I believe he must have flown back after the event and tested on 16th and 17th while Rosberg must have tested on 15th and 16th.

SectorOne wrote:

Pierce89 wrote:

SectorOne wrote:The only reason Ferrari and Lotus is quiet is because the tires happened to work brilliantly for their cars.
Had we gotten super durable tires they would have started screaming just like RBR and Merc do today.

Well, in 2011, when Ferrari couldn't switch the tires on and couldn't work the hard compound at all,

But that was with 2011 tires. I´d imagine if they ran 2013 tires they would be leading the pack because it sure seems like not having the quickest car is absolutely the best choice for gathering points.

The 2011 Ferrari wouldn't have beat the RB7 regardless of what tires they were on. This is just BS from someone who thinks their favored team should always win because they're the "best". I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but Red Bull no longer has a car that will easily dominate. Maybe they will next year or maybe even later this season, but not right now.

Helmut Marko has stated what Christian Horner said in the press conference that Red Bull were offered a similar test which they declined.
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 14662.html

Its reported that Mercedes got a conditional go-ahead to use the 2013 car for the tes, the condition being that others are also offered the same opportunity. Since Red Bull were indeed "offered" such a test, doesnt that fulfill the FIA's conditional clause? Just wondering

spadeflush wrote:Helmut Marko has stated what Christian Horner said in the press conference that Red Bull were offered a similar test which they declined.
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 14662.html

Its reported that Mercedes got a conditional go-ahead to use the 2013 car for the tes, the condition being that others are also offered the same opportunity. Since Red Bull were indeed "offered" such a test, doesnt that fulfill the FIA's conditional clause? Just wondering

Why the --- are Red Bull complaining i they were in fact offerd the same god damn test ???

Huntresa wrote:

spadeflush wrote:Helmut Marko has stated what Christian Horner said in the press conference that Red Bull were offered a similar test which they declined.
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 14662.html

Its reported that Mercedes got a conditional go-ahead to use the 2013 car for the tes, the condition being that others are also offered the same opportunity. Since Red Bull were indeed "offered" such a test, doesnt that fulfill the FIA's conditional clause? Just wondering

Why the --- are Red Bull complaining i they were in fact offerd the same god damn test ???

So being offered an illegal test is okay, is it?

Cam wrote:

Huntresa wrote:

spadeflush wrote:Helmut Marko has stated what Christian Horner said in the press conference that Red Bull were offered a similar test which they declined.
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 14662.html

Its reported that Mercedes got a conditional go-ahead to use the 2013 car for the tes, the condition being that others are also offered the same opportunity. Since Red Bull were indeed "offered" such a test, doesnt that fulfill the FIA's conditional clause? Just wondering

Why the --- are Red Bull complaining i they were in fact offerd the same god damn test ???

So being offered an illegal test is okay, is it?

Its not illegal if the demands/conditions from the FIA was that everyone gets the option or question to do a test, which seems to be what has happend.

Huntresa wrote:

Cam wrote:

Huntresa wrote: Why the --- are Red Bull complaining i they were in fact offerd the same god damn test ???

So being offered an illegal test is okay, is it?

Its not illegal if the demands/conditions from the FIA was that everyone gets the option or question to do a test, which seems to be what has happend.

RedBull said no because they thought the test with a 2013 car was illegal. Regardless of what Pirelli says. RedBull had enough sense to stay well clear. Throwing your arms in the air because RedBull didn't want to break the rules... seriously.

Edit: here's the actual quote from Marko, which clearly illustrates their issues. Honestly, that's some poor selective posting above.

Q: It is said that Red Bull Racing were also offered such a test, but dismissed it. Did it never occur to you that there could be ‘broader’ options in such a test - for example running your current car?
HM: It is correct that we were offered such a test. We decided that by committing such a breach of regulations, we - as championship leaders - would be confronted with consequences and thus did not follow that route.

No I didnt mean that. I'm just wondering what gave Mercedes such a good reason to think that such a test would be legal? Based on FIA's conditional permission, that other teams are also offered an opportunity, did Mercedes interpret this as just "offered". Guess we will only know once the IT case takes place

RedBull said no because they thought the test with a 2013 car was illegal. Regardless of what Pirelli says. RedBull had enough sense to stay well clear. Throwing your arms in the air because RedBull didn't want to break the rules... seriously.

But if the rule makers, the FIA, gives a demand/condition on which you can run the 2013 car, and that is fulfilled, then how is it illegal ? I mean since its demands/conditions from the FIA its like a get out of jail free card, since if its 100% that this happend and came from the FIA, neither Pirelli or Mercedes can be blamed.

To me it just feels like FIA got into a tangle they cant untangle.