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Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 13:19
by lio007
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 17:12
by bosyber
woah, that's quite something isn't it. Let's hope that does not negate the better overtaking (and if it works out, really needs a look back at those 2017 rule changes and how they got in ...).
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 18:30
by mzso
They should also limit the car length to 4.5 meters.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 20:28
by Just_a_fan
mzso wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 18:30
They should also limit the car length to 3.5 meters.
When was the last time an F1 car was anywhere near 3.5m long? It's well before I was born and I'm fifty. In fact I think it was sometime in the early 1960s so about 60 years ago.
Be great if you could explain how you fit a driver, along with the fuel tank, engine and gearbox in a total length of 3.5m without making the driver part of the front crash structure. After all, that's what they did back then.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 20:29
by Just_a_fan
So in a year or two, we'll probably see all of the lap records blown away too. That's some thought.
The next thought that comes to mind is how will the FIA go about slowing the cars down if they do start to get that quick? Drop the height of the diffuser, presumably.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 20:33
by mzso
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 20:28
When was the last time an F1 car was anywhere near 3.5m long?
I meant 4.5 meters.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 20:50
by Stu
mzso wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 18:30
They should also limit the car length to 4.5 metres.
FTFY…
That would slow them down as it would reduce the power of the floor & compromise the side-pod packaging and general airflow around the car.
I still think that the tyres are way too tall, still plenty of poorly damped air-suspension available.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 21:07
by jjn9128
Stu wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 20:50
mzso wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 18:30
They should also limit the car length to 4.5 metres.
FTFY…
That would slow them down as it would reduce the power of the floor & compromise the side-pod packaging and general airflow around the car.
I still think that the tyres are way too tall, still plenty of poorly damped air-suspension available.
Agree. 4.5m I think is too short 4.85-5m is more reasonable. Depending on the engine.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 22:25
by Just_a_fan
mzso wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 20:33
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 20:28
When was the last time an F1 car was anywhere near 3.5m long?
I meant 4.5 meters.
Ah, yes, that makes sense now.
In a way, 3.5m cars would be fun to see, but they'd be almost impossible to package to modern safety standards. Imagine a Lotus 24 built to pass current crash standards. That would be something.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 22:35
by Tom145145
bosyber wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 17:12
woah, that's quite something isn't it. Let's hope that does not negate the better overtaking (and if it works out, really needs a look back at those 2017 rule changes and how they got in ...).
This is great news, I really hope the racing is better also. I am holding out hope for a 4 team championship next season, the new cars are the only thing keeping me engaged with next season after the end to the last race. I would like to see an effort in weight/size reduction within the regulation also, would refuelling be the answer…maybe not for safety. I just feel the 2022 car will look very lazy in the slow speed corners.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 22:35
by jjn9128
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:25
mzso wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 20:33
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 20:28
When was the last time an F1 car was anywhere near 3.5m long?
I meant 4.5 meters.
Ah, yes, that makes sense now.
In a way, 3.5m cars would be fun to see, but they'd be almost impossible to package to modern safety standards. Imagine a Lotus 24 built to pass current crash standards. That would be something.
transverse engine and gearbox
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 22:55
by Just_a_fan
jjn9128 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:35
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:25
mzso wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 20:33
I meant 4.5 meters.
Ah, yes, that makes sense now.
In a way, 3.5m cars would be fun to see, but they'd be almost impossible to package to modern safety standards. Imagine a Lotus 24 built to pass current crash standards. That would be something.
transverse engine and gearbox
Yes, would help. Would it still be enough to make a car 3.5m long and not have the driver sticking out at the front (albeit in a carbon tub)?
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 22:59
by jjn9128
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:55
jjn9128 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:35
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:25
Ah, yes, that makes sense now.
In a way, 3.5m cars would be fun to see, but they'd be almost impossible to package to modern safety standards. Imagine a Lotus 24 built to pass current crash standards. That would be something.
transverse engine and gearbox
Yes, would help. Would it still be enough to make a car 3.5m long and not have the driver sticking out at the front (albeit in a carbon tub)?
No. 3.5m I think is impossible unless they really sit the driver up like a road car position. Or the engine is hanging behind the rear axle.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 23:11
by Just_a_fan
jjn9128 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:59
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:55
jjn9128 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:35
transverse engine and gearbox
Yes, would help. Would it still be enough to make a car 3.5m long and not have the driver sticking out at the front (albeit in a carbon tub)?
No. 3.5m I think is impossible unless they really sit the driver up like a road car position. Or the engine is hanging behind the rear axle.
Yeah, that was my view. One could make the tub strong enough, of course, to allow the driver to stick forward, but there's always going to be
that accident that shears the nose off.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 23:17
by jjn9128
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 23:11
jjn9128 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:59
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Dec 2021, 22:55
Yes, would help. Would it still be enough to make a car 3.5m long and not have the driver sticking out at the front (albeit in a carbon tub)?
No. 3.5m I think is impossible unless they really sit the driver up like a road car position. Or the engine is hanging behind the rear axle.
Yeah, that was my view. One could make the tub strong enough, of course, to allow the driver to stick forward, but there's always going to be
that accident that shears the nose off.
At the moment the drivers feet have to be behind the front axle line and at least 300mm behind the front bulkhead of the tub. Those regs would not change I think ever.