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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 10:01
by Sieper
Please let it be true. Just from the outside looking at the race result today I feel a bit unsure.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 11:03
by Bill
You can never learn about the true potential of the Honda pu if it mated to below par chassis, its possible Gasly was running the engine detuned After problems he had ,the Italian teams seem utterly rubbish with Strategy

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 16:24
by dren
Bill wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 11:03
You can never learn about the true potential of the Honda pu if it mated to below par chassis, its possible Gasly was running the engine detuned After problems he had ,the Italian teams seem utterly rubbish with Strategy
Yeah,he had good pace during the opening stint and was later able to pass the Saubers on the straights. Strategy and pitwork looked suspect.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 17:27
by gandharva
If they refine that spec 3 ICU over the last races and during winter and also improve the H and battery management (that's where they imho need to catch up now) that thing is going to shine in a RedBull next year. Watching the race today it's just insane how much better that RBR chassis is compared to the midfielders, and I think the TR chassis atm is more like a low end midfield chassis tbh...

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 20:30
by PhillipM
GhostF1 wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 07:54
Crofty commented as Gasly defended against Raikkonen approaching 130R that the Honda seems a good match for the Ferrari
...right as the Ferrari blew past him.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 20:37
by Bill
The Hondapowerunit has already proven itself in power tracks like spa no person his right mind should compare Str to Ferrari .Drs also excessive

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 22:01
by GhostF1
PhillipM wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 20:30
GhostF1 wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 07:54
Crofty commented as Gasly defended against Raikkonen approaching 130R that the Honda seems a good match for the Ferrari
...right as the Ferrari blew past him.
I admit a little glorified. But he flew past in the DRS zone. No real ground was being made uphill towards 130R. Take it as a positive.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 07 Oct 2018, 22:58
by McMika98
gandharva wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 17:27
If they refine that spec 3 ICU over the last races and during winter and also improve the H and battery management (that's where they imho need to catch up now) that thing is going to shine in a RedBull next year. Watching the race today it's just insane how much better that RBR chassis is compared to the midfielders, and I think the TR chassis atm is more like a low end midfield chassis tbh...
Absolutely. TR chassis is way behind Renault based on 2018 races, and they have not had an update on race car since Bahrain. RedBull is just another level, they won a race without the K energy, just amazing how they go through the field. Force India i believe are best of rest in race pace.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 08 Oct 2018, 10:53
by Hino
Honda got approved then denied after qualifying from the FIA about applying a mapping change in regards to torque settings on Gasly's PU.
"Post shift ignition retard settings" is delay processing of the ignition timing after shift change, and this setting is incorporated in the dial on the steering wheel.
The delay process of the ignition timing can shorten the explosion time by shifting the ignition timing behind, suppress the engine load (power and torque), and reduce the oscillation (engine and gearbox resonance) It leads to alleviation and leads to protection of the engine. That is, from the viewpoint of safety, Honda had applied for a change to the FIA.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 08 Oct 2018, 15:14
by maddim
Is it true that they ran on lower power configuration on the race as a result of not allowing them to change the ECU software?

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 08 Oct 2018, 15:35
by Sieper
Yes, but only on the Gasly car (lower power, not low power). According to Gasly they will have 2 tenths (or a bit more) more pace next qualy/race (can vary per circuit off course) but that is what he was missing compared to Hartley this race due to the more reserved mapping according to Gas himselve.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 08 Oct 2018, 16:05
by Thunder18
That's the end of Hartley then if Gasly can run a couple of places in front with less overall power.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 08 Oct 2018, 16:40
by Sieper
Indeed. I think this (race, overall weekend before that was fine) result was the nail in the coffin for the vey likable Hartley.

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 09 Oct 2018, 00:52
by Eryngii
Inside of the plenum chamber (High-resolution photo could not be found...):
Image

Source:
https://sportiva.shueisha.co.jp/clm/mot ... _split_54/

Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 09 Oct 2018, 06:45
by maddim
Sieper wrote:
08 Oct 2018, 15:35
Yes, but only on the Gasly car (lower power, not low power). According to Gasly they will have 2 tenths (or a bit more) more pace next qualy/race (can vary per circuit off course) but that is what he was missing compared to Hartley this race due to the more reserved mapping according to Gas himselve.
According to Autosport the performance level was not affected. I guess also the same as, it is very strange to have only one PU in different mode as the other.