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F1NAC wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2018, 13:59

New rear wing position will be discussed on stratery group meeting. 50 mm higher than now for next year for better visibilty. Also new mirror positions

The new rules will include the raising of the rear wing by 50mm in order to create a bigger window of visibility between the lower surface of the main plane and the top surface of the sidepod.

Furthermore, a more prescriptive mirror position will be laid out in the rules – with them being lower and more outboard to ensure they are situated in a better place for the drivers.

There will also be more stricter rules on mirror mountings to try to ensure teams do not put performance gains over safety matters.

Surely they're not still fading with the regs. 20mm higher and 20mm back was last I heard. Teams have to be designing the cars by now.

jjn9128 wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2018, 14:34

F1NAC wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2018, 13:59

New rear wing position will be discussed on stratery group meeting. 50 mm higher than now for next year for better visibilty. Also new mirror positions

The new rules will include the raising of the rear wing by 50mm in order to create a bigger window of visibility between the lower surface of the main plane and the top surface of the sidepod.

Furthermore, a more prescriptive mirror position will be laid out in the rules – with them being lower and more outboard to ensure they are situated in a better place for the drivers.

There will also be more stricter rules on mirror mountings to try to ensure teams do not put performance gains over safety matters.

Surely they're not still fading with the regs. 20mm higher and 20mm back was last I heard. Teams have to be designing the cars by now.

If i read correctly this was triggered after Vandoorne shunt

F1NAC wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2018, 16:01

If i read correctly this was triggered after Vandoorne shunt

I must admit I'm a bit confused by this rationale... if moving the wing vertically upward were the solution then Bottas should have been able to see Vandoorne because of the super skinny wings they were using at Spa... admittedly the Mercs were running a bigger wing than Red Bull or Ferrari, but it was still really small near the tips.

Camera, radar, beacons; there are ways to aid driver awareness. One challenge would be: where to put the screens. I assume race control knows where cars are located upon the track most of the time. Timing data suggests this is available commercially to spectators.

cameras can fail. Its rare that mirrors fail.. ofc. if teams want to carry extra junk to reduce drag i guess that is fine.

In return a faulty mirror/camera should force a pit stop on safety grounds.

Mirrors can fall off / be knocked off by flying debris - seen both of those happen over the years...

If the rear facing camera feed would be available to the driver in the cockpit it would make the racing even more clinical because in theory you could block every overtaking attempt on the limit of the last possible opportunity. Verstappen was really good at this with the normal mirrors over the past years because of his racing simulator games history.

Disclaimer: Don't have a clue about aero, just trying to understand if next year rules are significant enough.

Paddy Lowe says 2019 aero rules are F1's most significant change since 2009.

Currently the end plate and the front wing turning wanes create Vortices which pull the front tire wake outwards, away from the floor, bargeboards and sidepods. Next year the front wing turning vanes are banned, front wing limited to 5 elements, end plate tunnels not allowed and end plates themselves will be standardized to significantly reduce the out wash effect.

The question i want to ask is if the new front wing rules, banning of brake duct fins and lowered bargeboard positioning is a big enough change to cause some sort of reset in competitive order?

The changes might cause a localised order change -maybe the top three will finish differently, the middle order finish differently etc, but the chances of Williams or Sauber suddenly becoming the main title contenders are slim. The top three have the best facilities and the top design talent along with the best drivers. Even if Williams comes up with a magic bullet solution - such as happened back with the double diffuser - the top three will soon be all over it and make it work for them. Or get it banned, of course.

^^This!

Every rule change is the biggest since 2009 for these guys (when the press needs a soundbite), they said it in 2014 too. 2017 was a bigger raft of rule changes - these changes will have a small affect on the flow around the car and the wake, obviously that requires a lot of attention when every minutiae is tweaked and fettled for the gain of 0.001 of a second.

There is certainly opportunity for next year, depends who focuses on the right places early on, and who wastes their time chasing their tail. The effect of the front wing will be a little different to this year, it won't be a huge change, the rear wing will create more drag than it has in the last 8 years.

The lowering of the bargeboard also won't have too much influence, the cars will start the season maybe .6 seconds slower than this year, but by the end of the year they'll have made that up. The bargeboards are still very much open, and with a simplified front wing, the bargeboards will be the focus for conditioning flow to the diffuser, and sealing the rest of the floor.

I expect teams to make this area as modular as possible so they can try out different designs, and aggressively develop this area to work with the new front wing and nose.

Are there any changes regarding the T-wing in the 2019 regulations?

MtthsMlw wrote: ↑

02 Oct 2018, 16:05

Are there any changes regarding the T-wing in the 2019 regulations?

They've not been published yet.

jjn9128 wrote: ↑

02 Oct 2018, 16:22

MtthsMlw wrote: ↑

02 Oct 2018, 16:05

Are there any changes regarding the T-wing in the 2019 regulations?

They've not been published yet.

Alright thank you

2019 regulations have been published on the FIA website today for anyone interested - fia.com/regulations

Good grief the front wing rules are now very convoluted...