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As a thought should we not just rename this thread for the as yet unnamed ferrari 2012 car? Seen as it's mainly 2012 car discussion.

Guess so

It's not really a surprise that they're changing over to pull rod suspension, everyone else in the grid save Ferrari and Sauber I think had already copied Red Bull for the 2011 season so it would have been more of a surprise to me if they kept with the push rod suspension.
Copying is nothing new in F1 and Red Bull have copied a lot of things themselves.
Examples of technologies being copied by other teams are the DDD & the Brawn front wing.
Just look at 2010 when almost the entire field had an F-duct come the end of the year and 2007 when everyone copied Ferrari's front wing design.
When someone discovers a new technology that gives an advantage it doesn't take long for everyone to cotton on - this time it just happens to be Red Bull with the best technology.
I'm expecting something a lot more radical from Ferrari in 2012 and something a lot more competitive.

italian wrote:
Ferrari, according some rumors, is going to copy Red Bull rear suspensions (pull-rod type) for the next year car. With this solution they want to project a lower and smaller rear.

If you call it "copying". Then you also must say that Red bull are "copying" Ferrari's push rod front suspension.

You do know Red Bull didnt invent the pull rod?

italian wrote:We can only wait a few months, but usually these rumors are true.

These rumours have a 50% chance of being true, so you will get the same likelyhood of a correct answer from a monkey flipping a coin.

Don't you remember the people here who were adament Ferrari will be using a pull rod this year?

Discussing next years car is a massive waste of time until there is something a bit more solid to go by.

Tim

What is all this fuss over? Was Newey the very first to ever use the pull rod suspension? Does he have a patent on it? I thnk not.

donskar wrote:What is all this fuss over? Was Newey the very first to ever use the pull rod suspension? Does he have a patent on it? I thnk not.

An academic siscussion Don, when Ferrari most certainly will stick with the push-rod concept.

donskar wrote:What is all this fuss over? Was Newey the very first to ever use the pull rod suspension? Does he have a patent on it? I thnk not.

Newey was the first to find the rear pull-rod arrangement more effcient with the current set of rules, so every other team is in fact following a path he has opened.

@tim.wright: I think it was the same Newey who first brought in the front pushrod back in 1988, when most of the teams had front pullrod. Fearrari followed suit in 1989, Mclaren in 1991.

I think it can not be denied that Newey and his team are defining most of the trends from 2009, with DDD being the big exception.

About the rumors: autosprint rumors are not always true, but they are morethan 50% true. In the past they have correctly reported about experimental ferrari chassis versions and other stuff, was it before , in the middle or at the end of the season: they for sure have some reliable source.
It could be some kind of controlled leakage.
Sometimes they are wrong tho, and this could be the case. I think ferrari will try out everything possible not to use pull rod and be labelled as a late Newey follower.
However I remember that after the disastrous F310 of 1996 they wer not shy of putting out a F310B which was in fact a complete revolution in terms of concepts and packaging from its predecessor, being a copycat of the williams fw18.
I do not bother writing who was the chief designer of that williams

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I'll be in the push rod thread.


Anyway, i think ferrari are the ones leaking this info. It's really not a controversial leak. It's not something that is new, it's something that the rest of the grid has. Had it been something new, now that's a different story.

As far as I am concerned they can copy as much of the RBR cars as they want. If it makes them more competitive then I say go for it. F1 teams are always copying eachohter, if they didn't then where would the cars be. What if no one copied ground effect. So long as they don't steal tech data there is no issue here.

Whether they do copy is another matter, it seems like the logical step though.