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Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 18:50
by flynfrog
IIRC Jersey Tom used carbon wheels for FSAE and I think he mentioned issues getting the to hold air. If he still comes around maybe he will chime in.
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 19:00
by flyboy2160
Coach K says in the video "We've made 20 sets," but forgot to add "And 200 scrap sets."
This is as bad a part and manufacturing technique as I've ever seen for being prone to porosity buildup in the female radii, even if they're being tricky with the tooling inserts for the hollows. They either scrap the wheel or have extra material in the corners to compensate for the porosity. Every single wheel must be inspected by NDT for porosity and delams, which is not easy in that shape.
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 19:07
by marcush.
Aluminium and Magnesium alloys are not much better in Terms of porosity methinks .Todays wheels are madeas forgings in f1 which ist the way to go if you want lowest weight and strength as well as lack of imperfections.
I see no reason why a cf wheel -done properly- would leak -ctg does produce pressure vessels made of cf :

Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 19:08
by Tim.Wright
These guys have had carbon wheels homologated for road use for a few years now:
http://carbonrev.com/
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 19:13
by marcush.
flyboy2160 wrote:Coach K says in the video "We've made 20 sets," but forgot to add "And 200 scrap sets."
This is as bad a part and manufacturing technique as I've ever seen for being prone to porosity buildup in the female radii, even if they're being tricky with the tooling inserts for the hollows. They either scrap the wheel or have extra material in the corners to compensate for the porosity. Every single wheel must be inspected by NDT for porosity and delams, which is not easy in that shape.
cf cannot be Held responsible for bad design .There are things you should avoid especially when it Comes to using cf for structural parts.Substituting Aluminium for cf and leave the design as if it were a forged or cast part which will be finished by a machining process is just one of those things ...
Yes the end product is nice ,no question but you could have done yourself a favour and design the part to the strengths of the carbonfibre not trying to do things it is not intended for (tight radii ,for example)
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 19:45
by CBeck113
They could also use a mix - cf spokes & forged Magnesium hubs & rims...
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 20:12
by Just_a_fan
One potential issue with CF is in a crash. Currently the idea is to try to keep the wheel attached to the chassis to prevent it flying off and causing injury/damage elsewhere. A crash could cause the CF part to fail resulting in some, or all, of the wheel flying free. At least with the current design the wheel can take a fair amount of punishment and hang together.
I guess this could be overcome but at what cost/effort?
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 08 Jul 2014, 20:19
by SiLo
Just_a_fan wrote:One potential issue with CF is in a crash. Currently the idea is to try to keep the wheel attached to the chassis to prevent it flying off and causing injury/damage elsewhere. A crash could cause the CF part to fail resulting in some, or all, of the wheel flying free. At least with the current design the wheel can take a fair amount of punishment and hang together.
I guess this could be overcome but at what cost/effort?
It's better to not use CF for this exact reason. Alloys or metals may not be as strong, but are much more malleable and will simply become dented or bent under huge strain rather than exploding into thousands of small CF shards.
Re: Lotus E22 Renault
Posted: 09 Jul 2014, 10:17
by stefan_
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 09 Jul 2014, 10:18
by stefan_
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 09 Jul 2014, 10:25
by George-Jung
Looks great! =D>
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 09 Jul 2014, 10:26
by FW17
Are they planning to run the car or just park it and take a few pics?
Might be a better idea to use some other styles of rims as well
George-Jung wrote:Looks great! =D>
It does look like Formula E
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 09 Jul 2014, 10:28
by George-Jung
are they allowed to increase brake-disc size?
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 09 Jul 2014, 10:30
by FW17
George-Jung wrote:are they allowed to increase brake-disc size?
What is the necessity for that?
Re: Pirelli 18 inch tyres - visualization
Posted: 09 Jul 2014, 10:32
by WALL_ZACK
Looks surprisingly good, nice tight stretch rather than the balloon look. Really accentuates the different offset between the front and rear wheels. Is it usually that big a difference?
Wonder how they've accommodated the suspension compliance lost from the sidewalls...