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autogyro wrote:It is not computer control that the builders of these robo cars should be studying but the workings of the human brain.
Human brains not only react to sensory inputs, they also have the capacity to physically change the way they work based on DNA created and experience modified functions that a computer in its present form can never match.
These brain functions input such things as moral values and ethics from conscious thought.
Computers work barely in comparison to the brains sub conscious capability, an automatic response.
Undertaking functions by reaction to sensors and from stored data not making rapid considered decisions. This is why at the present state of computer knowledge, autonomous road vehicle will not be able to match the safe driving capability of a human driver.

autogyro wrote: They may be able to assist the driver and autonomous aircraft ships and submarines will be able to operate reasonably well because of the large open areas they use.
Spatial awareness is a crucial issue here.

autogyro wrote:It is a stand alone formula with no proper link into the top level of motor sport development and has little chance of generating interest for the true motor sport fan.

autogyro wrote:It is not computer control that the builders of these robo cars should be studying but the workings of the human brain.

It is not computer control that the builders of these robo cars should be studying but the workings of the human brain.
Human brains not only react to sensory inputs, they also have the capacity to physically change the way they work based on DNA created and experience modified functions that a computer in its present form can never match.
These brain functions input such things as moral values and ethics from conscious thought.

Computers work barely in comparison to the brains sub conscious capability, an automatic response.
Undertaking functions by reaction to sensors and from stored data not making rapid considered decisions.
This is why at the present state of computer knowledge, autonomous road vehicle will not be able to match the safe driving capability of a human driver.

They may be able to assist the driver and autonomous aircraft ships and submarines will be able to operate reasonably well because of the large open areas they use.
Spatial awareness is a crucial issue here.

Autonomous racing cars have a higher chance of partial success because of the defined and very limited operating envelope but even so I do not see ROBORace as anything other than a promotional gimmick at this time to help arrest the decline in interest for FE.

As I have previously quoted on the FE thread.
FE was not taken up in the way I suggested in 2010 and it was inevitable that it would decline after a short run in its present form.

It is a stand alone formula with no proper link into the top level of motor sport development and has little chance of generating interest for the true motor sport fan.

autogyro wrote:Interesting responses.
It seems most of you believe in the unproven and not yet developed capabilities of computer technology that as yet does not exist, rather than accepting that human ability has had sole and successful dominance over road car safety and racing car activity for 200 years.

Some might call this opinion arrogant in the extreme.
So computers are better than the human brain, I hope I do not have to rely on any of you for my safety?

autogyro wrote:Interesting responses.
It seems most of you believe in the unproven and not yet developed capabilities of computer technology that as yet does not exist, rather than accepting that human ability has had sole and successful dominance over road car safety and racing car activity for 200 years.

Some might call this opinion arrogant in the extreme.
So computers are better than the human brain, I hope I do not have to rely on any of you for my safety?

SR71 wrote:

autogyro wrote:Interesting responses.
It seems most of you believe in the unproven and not yet developed capabilities of computer technology that as yet does not exist, rather than accepting that human ability has had sole and successful dominance over road car safety and racing car activity for 200 years.

Some might call this opinion arrogant in the extreme.
So computers are better than the human brain, I hope I do not have to rely on any of you for my safety?

Does not exist huh?

This is an old video btw...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol3g7i64RAI&sns=em

SR71 wrote:

autogyro wrote:Interesting responses.
It seems most of you believe in the unproven and not yet developed capabilities of computer technology that as yet does not exist, rather than accepting that human ability has had sole and successful dominance over road car safety and racing car activity for 200 years.

Some might call this opinion arrogant in the extreme.
So computers are better than the human brain, I hope I do not have to rely on any of you for my safety?

Nobody is saying a computer is better at being a human. You need to realize that.
What we are saying is that computers can and in most cases are better at humans in specific and highly focused task.

Specifically driving, which can be boiled down to math, there is no art at the extreme end its pure physics.

What you are really saying is that you have no clue about present technologies that exist and what's on the horizon. You clearly have no understanding about machine learning which is a strong component of this challenge. This wouldn't be a bad thing, except you're telling us these things are years in the future when in reality they are years behind us.

What's wrong with a competition designed to provoke and inspire computer programmers and scientist to evolve autonomous driving and racing?

If you're such a fan of the Human mind why don't you have a little respect for the fact that some of the greatest human minds find this challenge quite fascinating and are dedicating thier time and money to the challenge?

autogyro wrote:I did not see that Audi racing anything, there were no other autonomous cars near it.
Can you show me a video of it doing the lap in the wet at racing speed with five other cars autonomous or human driven and a comparison on lap times to a human driven car.
Racing is not just a software program to control the car on a simple fixed circuit at speeds under the handling limits.
Try again.

flynfrog wrote:Are you trying to say that we cant build a computer with more processing power than a fly? Your average cell phone has much more processing power than a fly brain.

We don't need to reach human levels of processing power to drive a car. The inputs are rather small compared to everything a human is processing. Sensor technology is far and away greater than what a human can do. I'm not sure where you think the issue is here. Or do we just need to get our shoes to throw into the machine.