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Posted: 13 May 2006, 09:33
by Scuderia_Russ
Jason wrote:Goin to change my car this weekend, to a Honda Civic City(newest version)
wohahaha....
I still think the Civic Type R looks better than any other Honda that has been released in the last few years. Not too sure about the front light set up on the new ones.
Posted: 13 May 2006, 11:35
by Jason
EDIT : Due to power I chose Civic Type R
(280bhp)heheh...
Posted: 13 May 2006, 11:56
by jaslfc
Jason wrote:Goin to change my car this weekend, to a Honda Civic City(newest version)
wohahaha....
wat is a honda civic city?
which civic type r is 280 bhp?
Posted: 13 May 2006, 11:59
by Jason
OMG jasflc, don't you know that the Civic Type R races in BTCC(touring category)?
BTW The Honda City car is produced from Honda, Civic City.
Quite expensive you know?
Posted: 13 May 2006, 12:12
by jaslfc
obviously i know wats a civic type r. its 2.0 inline 4.. and it produces 200 bhp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/civic_type-r05.asp if you want to check it out...
yeah i know bout the honda city. i din know it was called a civic city. its smaller than the civic.. comes in a 1.5l engine..
Posted: 14 May 2006, 17:37
by Tom
What does BHP actually meassure?
Posted: 14 May 2006, 17:51
by vyselegend
Tom wrote:What does BHP actually meassure?
http://www.indiacar.com/index2.asp?page ... ue_bhp.htm
The most popular unit of Power is the ‘Horse Power’, which from ancient times was the rate of work an ‘average horse’ could do. In scientific parlance today, it translates into 4,500 kg-m/min or 33,000 ft-pounds/min. In Metric System of Measurement, therefore, one ‘horsepower’ = 746 Watts.
In post-war Germany, ‘PS’ was and is still used – which was/is a functional equivalent of the ‘British’ Horse Power. In reality, it equates as 1.0 HP = 1.07 PS. Today, it seems the Car/Advertisers use ‘PS’ atleast in India to mislead the gullible public - as the same HP/BHP ‘sounds’ a little higher when expressed in PS!
Posted: 14 May 2006, 17:55
by Tom
Yeah, I know what it really means, but I don't understand why intelligent F1 guys use this boy racer term as an excuse to choose one car over another.
Posted: 15 May 2006, 00:22
by f1.redbaron
vyselegend wrote:Tom wrote:What does BHP actually meassure?
http://www.indiacar.com/index2.asp?page ... ue_bhp.htm
The most popular unit of Power is the ‘Horse Power’, which from ancient times was the rate of work an ‘average horse’ could do. In scientific parlance today, it translates into 4,500 kg-m/min or 33,000 ft-pounds/min. In Metric System of Measurement, therefore, one ‘horsepower’ = 746 Watts.
In post-war Germany, ‘PS’ was and is still used – which was/is a functional equivalent of the ‘British’ Horse Power. In reality, it equates as 1.0 HP = 1.07 PS. Today, it seems the Car/Advertisers use ‘PS’ atleast in India to mislead the gullible public - as the same HP/BHP ‘sounds’ a little higher when expressed in PS!
I was under the impression that BHP has a totally different meaning. When I was getting my pilot's licence, in ground school they taught us a lot about the engines. I remember them refering to BHP as the Brake Horsepower, or the net power delivered by the engine when one takes into consideration the friction losses within the engine.
Something like the difference between the indicated airspeed (IAS), true airspeed (TAS), groundspeed (GS), Calibrated (CAS) - they all measure the speed, but a different kind, or better yet, they take into consideration other factors (ex. wind speed, etc.).
Posted: 15 May 2006, 00:27
by f1.redbaron
Jason wrote:My car eats fuel, 5.8 l / 100km/h. I try to drive at least as possible. Despite this, I put RM60 every time fuel. And that gives me a headache
The car is a Proton Perdana 2.0 V6. It's a fuel eater
2.0L V6?? I don't want to sound disrespetful, but are you sure? If it had a 6-cylinder engine, believe me, it would use up a lot more gas. I have a V6, and I'll consider myself lucky if I use up twice the fuel you're using for the same distance. RIght now, I get about 600km/75L gas tank.
Posted: 15 May 2006, 01:07
by vyselegend
f1.redbaron wrote:
I was under the impression that BHP has a totally different meaning. When I was getting my pilot's licence, in ground school they taught us a lot about the engines. I remember them refering to BHP as the Brake Horsepower, or the net power delivered by the engine when one takes into consideration the friction losses within the engine.
Something like the difference between the indicated airspeed (IAS), true airspeed (TAS), groundspeed (GS), Calibrated (CAS) - they all measure the speed, but a different kind, or better yet, they take into consideration other factors (ex. wind speed, etc.).
Enter "what does BHP mean" in google, you'll be amazed how many different fields use this abreviation!
Actually before cheking this article, I thought BHP meant "brut (or basic) horse power" and that it was refering to the engine pure horse power, regardless of the power lost before reaching the wheels. For example 200 BHP--> ~185 HP to the wheels. But apparently I was wrong too...
Posted: 15 May 2006, 02:00
by f1.redbaron
Either one of us could be right...or wrong.
This is what wikipedia had to say:
In general:
Indicated or gross horsepower (theoretical capability of the engine) minus frictional losses within the engine (bearings, rods, etc), equals
Brake or net horsepower (power delivered directly by the engine) minus frictional losses in the transmission (bearings, gears, etc.), equals
Shaft horsepower (power delivered to the driveshaft) minus shaft losses (friction, slip, cavitation, etc), equals
Effective or wheel horsepower
An then, this:
Brake horsepower (bhp)
Brake horsepower (bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump and other auxiliaries. The actual horsepower delivered to the driving wheels is less. An engine would have to be retested to obtain a rating in another system.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower