F1technical.net

Hmm. Honda is definitely doing pretty horrible now...but it wasn't too long ago that they were second in the championship...

I think they'll be able to reign in the problems and start winning races...I just don't think that'll be for a bit. Mayybbe towards the end of this year, but most likely, next year they'll improve.

Honda's biggest problem is:

that they weren't quite sure why BAR 006 was that fast and where they lost it with 007... then how they made it work in late 2006 and then they lost something again and not quite sure where exactly....
...hmmmm. maybe adding a rediculously looking "something" in front would make it better... ow... it didn't... looks like something is wrong again but not quite sure what exactly....

Looks like their wind-tunnel is blowing in the wrong direction and nobody's there to pull the switch

Nick Fry keeps on mentioning that they have had this problem since 2005.. I would think that all the engineers and tools at there disposal that they would figure out what the problem is. I would start to think that they do not have highly qualified engineers since it has been close to two years now to fix a problem that has not been fixed?

m3_lover wrote:...it has been close to two years now to fix a problem that has not been fixed?

correction: "has not been identified"

Surely a completely new sheet for 2008 will fix this ?

Start afresh, using concepts they know work.

PNSD wrote:Surely a completely new sheet for 2008 will fix this ?

Start afresh, using concepts they know work.

Is that not the root cause of their problems this year?

Spyker MF1 wrote:

PNSD wrote:Surely a completely new sheet for 2008 will fix this ?

Start afresh, using concepts they know work.

Is that not the root cause of their problems this year?

Well obviously not if they are having problems they have had since 2005.

Sad for honda .. i guess they need raptor wings now ...

Of all my years watching racing, I have never seen such an inelegant "fix". Unless Honda can convert this modification to improvement on the track, we are witnessing one of the most ludicrous jokes in F1.

PNSD wrote:

Spyker MF1 wrote:

PNSD wrote:Surely a completely new sheet for 2008 will fix this ?

Start afresh, using concepts they know work.

Is that not the root cause of their problems this year?

Well obviously not if they are having problems they have had since 2005.

I thought the cause of this years problems was the revelotion not evolution approach which has meant the car has slipped back.

As far as I'm concerned any team which goes for the revelotion approach shows that they are kinda going down the pan as last years car should of been used as a marker I thin they would of done a lot better so far if they had.

That isnt completely correct, Ferrari didnt use the 248 of last year as a "base", this years car features so many different parts, including longer wheelbase, completely different front suspension setup, and a completely redesigned rear end. I would say that the f2007 is a completely new car and not a simple evolution of the 248 F1. And it has worked out rather good so far this season. Showing that the use of last years car as a marker for performance isnt necessarily needed for success this season. As SF has proved in this case.

Honda just f*cked up.

Wow. I have to say, I wouldn't want to drive that thing in a crosswind! We all know that you don't put the rudder of a boat or airplane on the front. Same applies here, if a sudden gust were to develop the car would gain crosswind sensitivity as it yaws, making it a nightmare to handle in a wind.

I never thought i'd be so disappointed in Honda. They seem so utterly lost
right now. Why don't they just blatantly copy Ferrari? At least they would have a decent design.

ginsu wrote:a decent design.

You call Ferrari's design decent? Seeing how they have won 2 of this seasons 3 race ?

They are definately not being left behind in the development race as we head into the European leg of the season, and most importantly, before the Spanish GP.

If Honda copied Ferrari's design then they would have a great design. Maybe a race winning design considering the mid-grade drivers they have. Actually more like a podium placing car, at best.

mx_tifosi wrote:

ginsu wrote:a decent design.

You call Ferrari's design decent? Seeing how they have won 2 of this seasons 3 race ?

He meant 'copy' not like taking Ferrari's blueprints, I suppose

The question is what benefits would they have from copying something that they wouldn't understand. How do you develop it? And, unless they steal all the blueprints, the car must be considered as a whole to work, aerodynamic and mechanically.

Apparently, the issue is wrong data obtained from the wind tunnel. And that's the kind of thing you screw once and you'll never be able to revert, unless by profoundly revising it or building a new one. Not even Ferrari's or McLaren's engineers would make a decent car in a wrongly calibrated tunnel...