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dannyteasdale wrote:
2 brilliant drivers in the same team - peacefully - Senna/Prost

You cannot be serious mate....

Peacefully until Prost tried to run him off the road in Portugal 88

Peacful until Senna took Prost out twice at Japan......

For me, Senna was a dirty driver (exhibit A - punching Eddie Irvine for no reason). Prost was just in another class.

Senna/Prost is an example of how team mates descend into chaos!

And punching someone is not proof of dirty driving.

Proof of poor sportmanship and lack opf respect for his fellow driver. Taking Prost out twice is the proof of dirty driving yet Senna is revered for some reason.

Yea he was a really bad guy, Literally breaking his seatbelt and running to help anyone he saw in an accident.
Helping out the poor kids in Sao Paulo. leaving almost his entire estate to his Senna foundation, to go to the Homless children's housing board and education. And having the good grace to admit his own personal shortcomings in a series of very personal interviews. Some bad guy....

But people will only see what they want to see. I cant help you with that andrew.

His legacy and reverence is beyond reproach, if you choose to question it...good luck to you, but I will have no part in it.

He's not the only driver to ever jump out of his car to help someone from a crash and there are several drivers involved in various charities.

andrew wrote:Proof of poor sportmanship and lack opf respect for his fellow driver. Taking Prost out twice is the proof of dirty driving yet Senna is revered for some reason.

One of those two was retaliation for Prost taking him out. At least when Senna took you out, there was no lies or BS, he just mashed the throttle and hit him square off the track, and tearfully admitted doing so a year after the incidint.

Regardless of what you think, Frank Williams quote about Ayrton sums him up quite succinctly. "He was even a greater person out of the car than in it."

One incident does not make a man, and this one should not judge him completely.

They day he died, he had rolled up in his car an Austrian flag to fly, instead of his usual Brazilian flag, to honor Roland Ratzenberger at the end of the race.

He was a very passionate person and it boiled over on track sometimes, but usually into just going faster than most though possible, let alone could match.

We'd be lucky to have someone like him again.

andrew wrote:Peacful until Senna took Prost out twice at Japan......

For me, Senna was a dirty driver (exhibit A - punching Eddie Irvine for no reason). Prost was just in another class.

Not justified but not for no reason. I'll let you look that one up for yourself, correcting history for you is getting old.

Like I said Andrew "I will have no part of it".

And Giblet, I dont think we will ever get a driver so consumed to drive a car faster than anyone else.
In my eyes he is the treasure of F1, and he had soul, you could see it the way the man spoke .....and drove.

andrew wrote:Peacful until Senna took Prost out twice at Japan......

For me, Senna was a dirty driver (exhibit A - punching Eddie Irvine for no reason). Prost was just in another class.

Seriously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-QhXnuLgk

Prost was just as bad as Senna, the only difference was that Senna stated he did it on purpose.

You don't get 3 of 4 WDCs being Mr. Nice Guy. Just ask Barrichello.

Giblet wrote:

andrew wrote:Proof of poor sportmanship and lack opf respect for his fellow driver. Taking Prost out twice is the proof of dirty driving yet Senna is revered for some reason.

One of those two was retaliation for Prost taking him out. At least when Senna took you out, there was no lies or BS, he just mashed the throttle and hit him square off the track, and tearfully admitted doing so a year after the incidint.

Regardless of what you think, Frank Williams quote about Ayrton sums him up quite succinctly. "He was even a greater person out of the car than in it."

One incident does not make a man, and this one should not judge him completely.

They day he died, he had rolled up in his car an Austrian flag to fly, instead of his usual Brazilian flag, to honor Roland Ratzenberger at the end of the race.

He was a very passionate person and it boiled over on track sometimes, but usually into just going faster than most though possible, let alone could match.

We'd be lucky to have someone like him again.

Senna didnt hit Prost either time, both times Prost turned into him, 2nd time Senna had the pole and Prost's sidepod hit Senna's left front wheel. Senna was all the way to the right and had nowhere to go. Senna never admitted to hitting him, he admitted that he would not lift no matter what, and he didnt.

Ok, I should have worded it different. Not lifting, for a corner you need to lift for, is causing an accident, no actually hitting him. Putting your car somewhere to be hit is really not that different for hitting, and that is what he did.

They dont need to lift for that corner from the standing start(especially from the front row), they went into the corner side by side and Prost went into Senna's side. Senna had no more room to move to the right. Senna could have braked to avoid the accident but he didnt have to, just as Prost did not the year before, but if you watch the overhead of 89, you can clearly see that Prost was not turning in for the corner, he was turning in to cause an accident.

That is my view, I may be wrong, but in the interview Senna does not actually admit he ran into him deliberatly.

What interview? This was not an interview. It was an awards ceremony. I wish I had details to give, this was from a Motorsport magazine or F1 Racing magazine on the 15 year anniversary of his death.

Either way, what I read was that he admitted to making the accident happen.