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Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 15:43
by _cerber1
As I understand it, the essence of the new regulation is that it should not be too difficult, the maximum unification and, as a consequence, the minimum cost of all this. If the FIA uses 3D scanners, the designer will not have the opportunity to change something as he wants.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 17:55
by Csmith1980
Well, Mercedes aren’t going to give away anything just yet are they.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 17:58
by jjn9128
But why bother trying to dupe people?!
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 18:40
by Csmith1980
jjn9128 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 17:58
But why bother trying to dupe people?!
Because social media.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 19:03
by Stu
Csmith1980 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 17:55
Well, Mercedes aren’t going to give away anything just yet are they.
Looks just like the FOM Silverstone ‘reveal’ car.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 19:08
by jjn9128
Stu wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 19:03
Csmith1980 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 17:55
Well, Mercedes aren’t going to give away anything just yet are they.
Looks just like the FOM Silverstone ‘reveal’ car.
Other than the nose which is a bit narrower, and it looks like the tub is flat topped rather than curved, but otherwise yes. Basically, from what's coming out of teams, the designs don't diverge too far from that anyway.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 19:21
by Blackout
Stu wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 19:03
Csmith1980 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 17:55
Well, Mercedes aren’t going to give away anything just yet are they.
Looks just like the FOM Silverstone ‘reveal’ car.
That's a different car. FOM has built more than a showcar and they have some variations (like the renders). This is this car
https://www.livegp.it/wp-content/upload ... 9x1024.png
Which has been repainted
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIB5GUTXoAA ... name=large
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 19:43
by BlueCheetah66
For the noses next year, are teams still allowed to have a sharp change in the width of the nose, similar to what Mercedes have had for a while or has that been closed off in these regulations?
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 20:36
by Csmith1980
jjn9128 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 19:08
Stu wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 19:03
Csmith1980 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 17:55
Well, Mercedes aren’t going to give away anything just yet are they.
Looks just like the FOM Silverstone ‘reveal’ car.
Other than the nose which is a bit narrower, and it looks like the tub is flat topped rather than curved, but otherwise yes. Basically, from what's coming out of teams, the designs don't diverge too far from that anyway.
Feels like we’re going to have a grid of virtually identical cars just painted differently.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 20:45
by ClarkBT11
mzso wrote: ↑31 Dec 2021, 23:25
hollus wrote: ↑31 Dec 2021, 17:07
The wake is not less, it simply moves up instead of staying low. Thus the wake “is less” where the trailing car is.
Saying that the trailing car meets less of the wake would be more accurate.
The wake is not a void, air rushes in too fast for that. So as the “dirty” air moves up, new, less dirty air moves in at ground level. This new air has less “forwards” component. The wake is many things, but the main one affecting the trailing car seems to be simply air moving forwards. Which will often be called “less energy in the air” or lower dynamic pressure.
Now this is a good explanation, it makes sense. Thanks.
Mzso, blackout already gave you that explanation. You were asking a completely different question.
mzso wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 12:28
Blackout wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 12:12
Because if this aero works well, a 'clean' good energy air will rapidly wash in behind the car, below the dirty wake...
Still a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Like how is dirty air remaining there less or better for slipstream, than "clean air" as you say.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 20:46
by AMG.Tzan
Any more pics of this FOM car fully assembled? From the side or back maybe?
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 20:49
by Hoffman900
Who did the design of the FOM cars?
There seems to be at least some thought put into them.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 20:51
by aleks_ader
Hoffman900 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 20:49
Who did the design of the FOM cars?
There seems to be at least some thought put into them.
Tombazis aero group with Symonds.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 01 Jan 2022, 21:59
by jjn9128
aleks_ader wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 20:51
Hoffman900 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 20:49
Who did the design of the FOM cars?
There seems to be at least some thought put into them.
Tombazis aero group with Symonds.
Tombazis is FIA. Symonds group is FOM, Jason Somerville led the aero design group under Symonds.
The FOM technical Hierarchy is:
1) Brawn
2) Symonds
3) Somerville (aero), Wilson (vehicle performance)
4) 3/4 aeros and surfacers + a couple of suspension and gearbox engineers
FOM created the car(s) and hand that off to Tombazis and the FIA who then drafted the rules with the teams. There was some crossover with the FIA and FOM but that's how it worked.
Re: 2022 Aero Thread
Posted: 02 Jan 2022, 00:56
by mzso
(Never mind)