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I have often wondered how the 2009 Brawn had fared with that gorgeous looking engine above instead of the Mercedes?

An engine I'm currently working on.

Bugatti EB110. 3.5 liters, 60 valves, Individual throttle bodies, 4 turbos.

xpensive wrote:I have often wondered how the 2009 Brawn had fared with that gorgeous looking engine above instead of the Mercedes?

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/5189_11020620620.jpg

They would have been nowhere near the front

WilliamsF1 wrote:They would have been nowhere near the front

Brawn said quite contrary, he said that the car packaging and performance was severely compromised to accomodate Merc.

saw this at the indoor kart track this weekend

timbo wrote:

WilliamsF1 wrote:They would have been nowhere near the front

Brawn said quite contrary, he said that the car packaging and performance was severely compromised to accomodate Merc.

For argument sake let us assume Merc and Ferrari were equally good in 2008. We got a direct comparison between Renault and Ferrari on the RB4/STR3. The Honda was well behind Renault and probably even behind Cosworth in terms of reliability and drivablity.

Agreed the Merc engine was not a perfect fit on the car which hurt them in the second half in terms of development, but without the Merc engine they will not have been able to dominate the first half. With the Honda engine they would have been equal or just ahead of Williams and Toyota (both who had a good year) but would not have been able to dominate.

2000 Williams BMW was another perfect example of poor chassis great engine combo.

WilliamsF1 wrote:

timbo wrote:

WilliamsF1 wrote:They would have been nowhere near the front

Brawn said quite contrary, he said that the car packaging and performance was severely compromised to accomodate Merc.

For argument sake let us assume Merc and Ferrari were equally good in 2008. We got a direct comparison between Renault and Ferrari on the RB4/STR3. The Honda was well behind Renault and probably even behind Cosworth in terms of reliability and drivablity.

Agreed the Merc engine was not a perfect fit on the car which hurt them in the second half in terms of development, but without the Merc engine they will not have been able to dominate the first half. With the Honda engine they would have been equal or just ahead of Williams and Toyota (both who had a good year) but would not have been able to dominate.

2000 Williams BMW was another perfect example of poor chassis great engine combo.

how about you take your argument elsewhere and post more pictures of pretty shiny things. There is really no reason for this thread to take a turn into bickering. There is no public info for either motor you have no idea of any of the important technical details to make a sound argument so whats the point.

Here is something that will warm the cockles of your heart chaps.

The Mercedes/Cosworth 16 valve collaboration. In this post, it's the daddy version...2.5 litre.
Based on the M102 bread and butter motor that saw service for many a W123, W124 and W201.
But with some heavy breathing done by the lads at Coswroth, they came up with this classic.




The 2.3 version below:


And the evocative sounds of the ol' DTM 4 banger, which should make your synapses fire accordingly.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ8x1AwmwUM[/youtube]

More Mercedes Fox;

The super complicated Mercedes Bluetec Turbo-Diesel, mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission. These 6 cylinder engines have an average of 200+ moving parts, several gallons of coolant, 8.5 qts motor oil and 9 qts of transmission fluid.

This one may not look as sexy, but definitely is worth mention.
This is engine of AMX-56 Leclerc main battle tank (from France). It's unique because the turbine may work independently from engine and functions as APU. It has very high boost pressure and the engine itself is rather small compared to other tanks.

@x

That thing looks monstrous. But it's diesel
Can we forward a motion to ban the merest mention of diesel on this thread?

i love diesel

audi v12

audi v10


peugeot

@ Fox;

Hmmm...would banning mentioning Mercedes diesels from this here thread be good enough for you?

and the sound gives me goosebumps...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKIc1BcWDlM[/youtube]