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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 19:44
by Cold Fussion
Perhaps in the future there will be a thermochemical approach to hydrogren production, such as the
Sulfur-Iodine cycle
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 06 Jul 2020, 17:44
by Brake Horse Power
First 10 Hyundai hydrogen trucks are on their way to Swiss. 1590 to go!
They are making a smart business case there by not having to pay enormous amounts of toll.
https://www.h2-view.com/story/hyundai-s ... itzerland/
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 02:28
by Greg Locock
Australia is about to introduce a mileage tax for EVs, the free ride is over.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 02:43
by djos
Greg Locock wrote: ↑07 Jul 2020, 02:28
Australia is about to introduce a mileage tax for EVs, the free ride is over.
What free ride? There are no tax breaks of any kind for buying an EV here.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 03:06
by Greg Locock
EVs don't pay the tax on fuel that is theoretically used to maintain the roads.
https://acapmag.com.au/2020/07/nsw-gove ... usage-tax/
Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 03:23
by djos
True.
Greg Locock wrote: ↑07 Jul 2020, 03:06
Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.
Agreed, we'd be far better off paying a Road use tax at rego time based on the number of KM's driven and vehicle polution ratings. I dont see the Fed gov handing their fuel excise powers over to the states any time soon tho.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 07:38
by Phil
Greg Locock wrote: ↑07 Jul 2020, 03:06
EVs don't pay the tax on fuel that is theoretically used to maintain the roads.
https://acapmag.com.au/2020/07/nsw-gove ... usage-tax/
Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.
There is a corelation between fuel usage and weight though, assuming cars of similar age and technology. So taxing by fuel is easy and works and hurts those that use more (hence, drive more or with less efficient vehicles). but yes, EVs currently dont pay any. They’ll have to find a new way to tax them soon.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 07:46
by hollus
A typical example of legislation lagging behind technology.
Those electrons weigh next to nothing, but one is hauling around batteries instead, lots of batteries...
I am happy to see EVs compete with other techonolgies more and more on merit and less and less on subsidies. They are mainstream enough to be regulated now. Fine!
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 16:43
by foxmulder_ms
Greg Locock wrote: ↑07 Jul 2020, 02:28
Australia is about to introduce a mileage tax for EVs, the free ride is over.
Geee... what about the centuries long free ride of oil companies. Literally, last year, total tax breaks for oil companies in USA was over $$$$ 25 billion++ subsidies they got since they are "domestic" energy.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 20:20
by strad
What is the U.S. equivalent to an Everest? An Explorer or an Escape? Just wondering.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 07 Jul 2020, 23:35
by djos
strad wrote: ↑07 Jul 2020, 20:20
What is the U.S. equivalent to an Everest? An Explorer or an Escape? Just wondering.
It’s based on the ranger chassis so just below an explorer I’d say.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 00:55
by strad
Ah.. Thanks. I looked on line but it looked bigger than a Ranger pickup.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 02:07
by Greg Locock
It's a SWB Ranger chassis, with a new coil spring 4 arm +watts live axle suspension, designed by me (with a little help from my friends). SUV body. Next week sees the reveal of its sibling.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 02:18
by djos
Greg Locock wrote: ↑08 Jul 2020, 02:07
It's a SWB Ranger chassis, with a new coil spring 4 arm +watts live axle suspension, designed by me (with a little help from my friends). SUV body. Next week sees the reveal of its sibling.
Ah nice, good to see we still at least design vehichles here.
Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?
Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 07:23
by gruntguru
Greg Locock wrote: ↑07 Jul 2020, 03:06
EVs don't pay the tax on fuel that is theoretically used to maintain the roads.
https://acapmag.com.au/2020/07/nsw-gove ... usage-tax/
Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.
Hilarious. That will be a real money-spinner, taxing the millions of EV's on Aussie roads.
Fuel excise is a reasonable proxy when you consider all the costs to the public - road maintenance, congestion, air pollution etc