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Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 10:48
by saviour stivala
“Number 44 asking for more power” he was asking for something that wasn’t there. Number 99 had to be reminded that more power was there to use (overtake button/mode is available) he was told.
In simple terms, and quoting from race report by what is considered as the number one race report reporter.
“FERRARI had a better weapon than Mercedes here. The SF90’s straight line speed advantage over Mercedes was huge, enough to squeak number 16 pole and thereby by having track position. But, more impressively, to leave him not under threat into turn one even with number 44 in full attack mode, battery loaded, DRS wide open from right under his rear wing through Parabolica, first from number 44 and then from number 99, virtually start to finish”.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 20:07
by MtthsMlw
saviour stivala wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 10:48
“Number 44 asking for more power” he was asking for something that wasn’t there. Number 99 had to be reminded that more power was there to use (overtake button/mode is available) he was told.
In simple terms, and quoting from race report by what is considered as the number one race report reporter.
“FERRARI had a better weapon than Mercedes here. The SF90’s straight line speed advantage over Mercedes was huge, enough to squeak number 16 pole and thereby by having track position. But, more impressively, to leave him not under threat into turn one even with number 44 in full attack mode, battery loaded, DRS wide open from right under his rear wing through Parabolica, first from number 44 and then from number 99, virtually start to finish”.
What has Giovinazzi to do with this?
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 20:49
by saviour stivala
Meant to be 77 and not 99.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 21:31
by izzy
saviour stivala wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 10:48
“Number 44 asking for more power” he was asking for something that wasn’t there. Number 99 had to be reminded that more power was there to use (overtake button/mode is available) he was told.
In simple terms, and quoting from race report by what is considered as the number one race report reporter.
“FERRARI had a better weapon than Mercedes here. The SF90’s straight line speed advantage over Mercedes was huge, enough to squeak number 16 pole and thereby by having track position. But, more impressively, to leave him not under threat into turn one even with number 44 in full attack mode, battery loaded, DRS wide open from right under his rear wing through Parabolica, first from number 44 and then from number 99, virtually start to finish”.
"full attack mode" doesn't necessarily mean Strat2, even if it came
after Lewis' radio which it might have, and the DRS activation line is way
after Parabolica, so the whole thing is nonsense even if it had anything to do with the PU hardware and software
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 11 Sep 2019, 19:21
by saviour stivala
“Number 44 asking for more power. He was asking for something that wasn’t there”.
Quoting Mercedes strategy director James Vowels 11/09/2019.
“Number 44 got everything out of the motor in Italy to possibly intercept number 16. We have various adjustments options for our drive unit to achieve maximum performance in the short term, for example an overtake maneuver. Number 44 has tried this as well. But it just was not enough to get past number 16”.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 11 Sep 2019, 21:35
by izzy
saviour stivala wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 19:21
“Number 44 asking for more power. He was asking for something that wasn’t there”.
Quoting Mercedes strategy director James Vowels 11/09/2019.
“Number 44 got everything out of the motor in Italy to possibly intercept number 16. We have various adjustments options for our drive unit to achieve maximum performance in the short term, for example an overtake maneuver. Number 44 has tried this as well. But it just was not enough to get past number 16”.
lol but it obviously went like
1. "James, this is Lewis. I need more power man."
2. "Copy Lewis. Strat X, HPP Magic to Intercept. Overtake is available. "
....
3. "It was not enough man."
4. "Copy Lewis, sorry."
see? Temperi omnia est
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 07:19
by hollus
Just a reminder that this is not the thread for race talk. Thanks.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 09 Nov 2019, 03:35
by GhostF1
All 6 winning cars and their power units lined up. Cool to see the changes in the PU's. Also emphasises how small these things are.. amazing achievement.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 17 Nov 2019, 23:01
by De Jokke
So now a Merc can't even pass a Torro Rosso anymore on the straight, what the hell is wrong with this year's engine!
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 17 Nov 2019, 23:04
by Big Tea
De Jokke wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 23:01
So now a Merc can't even pass a Torro Rosso anymore on the straight, what the hell is wrong with this year's engine!
Engine
s. 3 of them, not unlimited.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 18 Nov 2019, 00:46
by RZS10
Apperently the highest they could give Lewis was strat mode 5, wonder how far away that is from full pelt.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 18 Nov 2019, 01:11
by GhostF1
I wouldn't read too much into it, although I believe Honda is right on top of Mercedes now (and I'm sure STR have less downforce), the Merc PU's never do too well at high altitude circuits and the Honda's seem to excel on them. Always have over the years.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 18 Nov 2019, 10:29
by flexcon
De Jokke wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 23:01
So now a Merc can't even pass a Torro Rosso anymore on the straight, what the hell is wrong with this year's engine!
Yeah few things here.
1)Honda engine no 7 for Gasly Car. Engine 3 for Merc
2)Franz Tost confirmed Gasly was running less downforce by choice. You can see in the clip merc and honda neck and neck until just before the line where Gasly starts pulling away slowly yet the Merc is still deploying.
3) Strat 5 I don't believe it is the fastest mode available.
Anyway - Safe to say the Honda has made massive inroads, and is probably there or thereabouts but the Merc Lump is still amazing.
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 18 Nov 2019, 10:46
by Bill
Lewis had a Mercedes car a championship winning machine and very fresh tires and couldn't pass Gasly. In Austria when they lost in high altitude they blamed the temperatures not the pu .
Re: Mercedes Power Unit Hardware & Software
Posted: 18 Nov 2019, 11:33
by Just_a_fan
Bill wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 10:46
Lewis had a Mercedes car a championship winning machine and very fresh tires and couldn't pass Gasly. In Austria when they lost in high altitude they blamed the temperatures not the pu .
Lewis has used 3 engines for the season, Gasly has used 7. The unit in Gasly's car was fresher and he was using everything it had - he said in the cool down room that he was holding the overtake button the whole way.