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How the hell Yamaha gave that away awful strategy, how can the team stand and watch a win slip away that easy. Just horrible keeping your drivers out when you are losing 10 sec a lap on a drying track when you are on old wets....

Rossi shined in the wet, but then screwed the pooch bad on strategy.
Lucky for him Lorenzo did it worst by falling.

The team was calling them for many laps, maybe if they had some bluetooth radio...

Maybe this is the second wind Marquez needed.

Marquez bike changing is unmatched, he doesn't even touch the ground, he just jumps from one bike to the other like an acrobat.
Vale shows his age in this department.

Wow, that was a really unpredictable race. Redding went down in the gravel but still managed to snatch third It was all about being at the right place at the right time. Pit stop timing was crucial, and Lorenzo had one over Rossi at that department but was probably too hasty. Should've waited until his dry tires gained temperature properly. I still think Lorenzo has a greater chance of winning the title despite being 23 points behind. If these two last races hadn't been wet, most likely Lorenzo would be up ahead in the table.

I saw the pit boards for Lorenzo to come in but he followed Rossi.
Where those 2 just playing cat and mouse with each other or was it an actual strategy balls up?

They were so focused on playing "chicken" with each other that they completely forgot to read the race imo.

Shrieker wrote:Wow, that was a really unpredictable race. Redding went down in the gravel but still managed to snatch third It was all about being at the right place at the right time. Pit stop timing was crucial, and Lorenzo had one over Rossi at that department but was probably too hasty. Should've waited until his dry tires gained temperature properly. I still think Lorenzo has a greater chance of winning the title despite being 23 points behind. If these two last races hadn't been wet, most likely Lorenzo would be up ahead in the table.

What was hasty about it? There were riders doing lap times 9s a lap faster than Rossi, MM and Lorenzo for many laps before even MM pitted. That was an awful race by Yamaha, they may as well throw the pit board away since clearly the riders don't use it.

FoxHound wrote:I saw the pit boards for Lorenzo to come in but he followed Rossi.
Where those 2 just playing cat and mouse with each other or was it an actual strategy balls up?

I think so yea. I think i also saw Rossis side have "PIT" on their board as well but they just kept going both of them.

Probably tunnel-visioned on each other there.

And why is Honda hell bent on doing such charity? Allowing Dani Pedrosa to continue to ride. There are some exciting talents on moto 2 and I am sure straight out of the box, they can perform better than him. Even if Dani would have performed decently, they could have been in the hunt for constructors. It seems Dani is more afraid of other bikes around, than my old cat at the sound of a utensil falling. Nothing against him as human being, but as a rider, it's a big question on Honda.

GPR-A wrote:And why is Honda hell bent on doing such charity? Allowing Dani Pedrosa to continue to ride. There are some exciting talents on moto 2 and I am sure straight out of the box, they can perform better than him. Even if Dani would have performed decently, they could have been in the hunt for constructors. It seems Dani is more afraid of other bikes around, than my old cat at the sound of a utensil falling. Nothing against him as human being, but as a rider, it's a big question on Honda.

Honda doens't need a second driver competing with Marquez. Dani knows the team and occasionally Pedrosa wil win a race. The team loves and know him and to be fair Dani can be quick from time to time. Who would do a better job than Dani? Scot Redding and Crutchlow's performance shows that Dani isn't that bad at all. Redding and Cal are fast riders on factory material and they also can't compete with the top3. So I don't think Zarco, Rabat, Morbidelli or Lowes would do better then Redding and Cal. Pedrosa is their best option and Honda is really happy to have him. Only the likes of Dovi or Iannone would be an improvement even Bradl couldn't out perform Pedrosa with factory material.

Andres125sx wrote:

J.A.W. wrote:Will the Honda boys 'run interference' - on effective behalf of George - to prevent the "bad penny" Rossi - taking it?

Sure, Marquez will do all he can to help Lorenzo...

Where have you been past two seasons?

Lorenzo and Marquez can´t cope with each other, even the King of Spain forced them to shake their hands in an effort to calm them down

Also, Rossi was Marquez´s idol before joining MotoGP. He said it publicly several times.


Pedrosa-Lorenzo relationship has never been a special one either...



About the GOAT debate, I´ve never wasted a minute trying to compare drivers from different eras. Not in F1 and neither in MotoGP. Different eras can´t be compared. I never say the best of all times, I always say one of the best of all times, even when refering to Alonso when he´s the best of all times (just kidding)

If I´d be forced to say a name, I´d say Rossi. Even Agostini reached all his titles in a short period, with best bike what could be considered a winning streak (please don´t take this literally). Rossi is winning titles for decades, with different brands (Aprilia, Honda, Yamaha), and even with different engines (2 and 4 strokes). 18 seasons after his first title, he´s still fighting for a new one. To me that counts.

I wonder what´s thinking the member who downvoted this as fanboy, when it´s exactly the opposite. I´m saying Honda riders will never favour any Yamaha rider (insinuating this is utter BS) and saying I don´t like talking about who´s the best of all time before posting my opinion...

GPR-A wrote:Biggggg F*** up from Yamaha !!!!!

I did not understand why MM let Rossi through before their second PIT. It enabled Rossi go ahead and overtake Lorenzo. MM and Rossi, hand in glove.

He said it was to see the Yamahas and their tyres, he watched how bad they were and once his bike started to move entered the pits for slicks. Not a bad strategy I think

Sevach wrote:They were so focused on playing "chicken" with each other that they completely forgot to read the race imo.

Totally agree.

BTW, spanish tv said the "box" part in Rossi´s board was removed just before showing, so it was a team decision to keep him on track with those tyres. Anycase riders can make their own decisions, so I´d say they both failed today. Luckily for him Lorenzo made a much bigger mistake


Awesome race for Redding, when was last time someone did a podium after crashing? =D> =D> =D>

Very unpredictable race. Rossi looked to struggle in the openings laps as well as right after switching bikes, perhaps suggesting he didn't temperature in his tyres quickly. Otherwise the fastest in very challenging conditions during which it was constantly feeling out for the available grip.

Lorenzo again looked very insecure in such conditions. He picked up speed when there was a dry line. I'm still mystified why he crashed. There was no need for taking any risks: he would finish behind marquez but also ahead of Rossi, because he switched one lap earlier then the latter to dry tyres. He would have been 9 seconds faster anyway, so I really don't get why he took such a risk ending up in his high sider.

They also really ought to get some better strategists in motogp. Laps before Marquez came in, other riders already showed the dry tyre delivering minimum 8 seconds a lap pace advantage. Even if you feared that the competition stayed out, you would catch him within a few laps at most. I really had the impression Marquez, Rossi and Lorenzo were so afraid of doing anything else other then the one in front or behind, they just kept driving around on clearly shredded tyres. Marquez won the day by being the first to realise how silly it was to continue, although it could also because he was the driver with the least to loose.

Rossi really now looks in pole position for that tenth championship, although it's not a done deal yet. Lorenzo still has that magical "own fate in his hands", but only if he wins every race from now on. If not, he needs to hope both that Rossi does not finish ahead of him and that other riders steal some points from Rossi. On the other hand, if Rossi wins one remaining race all he needs to do is finish right behind Lorenzo the other races. Looks good for grandpa!

Cold Fussion wrote: What was hasty about it? There were riders doing lap times 9s a lap faster than Rossi, MM and Lorenzo for many laps before even MM pitted. That was an awful race by Yamaha, they may as well throw the pit board away since clearly the riders don't use it.

Maybe the fault is mine since looking back it seems like i didn't make myself too clear.

What I meant was that Lorenzo was too hasty after he pitted to go back to slicks. He should've allowed tires some time to heat properly before pushing on the out lap thus chucking it in the gravel.

@Andres,

Wasn't it Lorenzo & Pedrosa that couldn't stand each other and not Marquez ? Marc hasn't been around that long But you're right in a way, it sure feels like he has been around for a very long time...