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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:08
by Blanchimont
Thanks for the picture, Owen.

Another point that came to my mind after looking at the next picture, will there really be only one intercooler?
There are only visible connections on one side of the engine to the intercooler. Maybe it's just the picture that doesn't show the real complete engine, but maybe...

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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:10
by matt21
Blanchimont wrote:
matt21 wrote: Here“s the presskit:

http://www.renaultsport.com/IMG/pdf/rsf ... final2.pdf
On page 4 and 5 of this PDF file, you can read that the fuel quantity per race is limited to 100kg. The 2014 Technical Regulations do not contain this limit, only the 100kg/h flow rate is mentioned.
There are talks of a maximum quantity of 100kg for a while now.
i think the sporting regulations publuished at the moment will change until the beginning of 2014.
Blanchimont wrote:
timbo wrote: Probably to prevent heat loss and make turbine more effective.
That would also be my guess, but is there carbon fiber available that can withstand the temperatures right at the beginning of the exhaust pipes?
The material is called Pyrosic or Pyrokarb

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =1&t=10358

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:11
by matt21
Blanchimont wrote:Thanks for the picture, Owen.

Another point that came to my mind after looking at the next picture, will there really be only one intercooler?
There are only visible connections on one side of the engine to the intercooler. Maybe it's just the picture that doesn't show the real complete engine, but maybe...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... y-f1-4.jpg
As they have only one outlet on the turbine, I think they will have the intercooler on one and the water and oil coolers on the other side.

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:12
by stefan_

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:14
by garrett
Renault released a soundfile of the new turbo engine:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108179

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:16
by Blanchimont
Does anybody know a software that can be used to analyse this MP3 file, maybe we can get a hint to what rpm the engine was running?

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:32
by wuzak
matt21 wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNR5UZqCcAEpvm_.jpg:large

Anybody an idea, why the covered the exhaust in carbon fibre?
Not sure why carbon fibre, but they would want the exhaust temperatures to remain as high as possible to maximise energy recovery.

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:34
by wuzak
About testing - wouldn't they stick it in any car that it would fit, just to get miles under their belts before next season. The testing ban makes it difficult to use an F1 chassis.

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:37
by wuzak
Couldn't load up the Renaultsport website.

But I found it on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MPearYsHwY

Sounds pretty flat.

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:43
by SectorOne
Hopefully under some load it sounds better.

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 14:59
by type056
How MGU-H get energy and realize it?

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 15:12
by Blackout
Oil tank in the real pic is a lot bigger than the oil tank you see on the studio/CGI pics :-k
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Could be just the V8's oil tank they fitted jut for the show...

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 15:18
by wuzak
type056 wrote:How MGU-H get energy and realize it?
It is connected to the turbine by shaft and a gearset.

The MGU stands for motor-generator unit. It is an electric motor which can also work as a generator.

When the turbine power exceeds the power needed to drive the compressor the extra energy can be harnessed by the MGU-H. The MGU-H, therefore, controls the turbo speed.

The MGU-H can also be used to drive the turbo when the exhaust energy is insufficient. Or it can be disconnected by a clutch if it isn't required.

Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 15:24
by Forza
Few more angles of Renault V6 turbo Power UnitImage
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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 15:29
by type056
wuzak wrote:
type056 wrote:How MGU-H get energy and realize it?
It is connected to the turbine by shaft and a gearset.

The MGU stands for motor-generator unit. It is an electric motor which can also work as a generator.

When the turbine power exceeds the power needed to drive the compressor the extra energy can be harnessed by the MGU-H. The MGU-H, therefore, controls the turbo speed.

The MGU-H can also be used to drive the turbo when the exhaust energy is insufficient. Or it can be disconnected by a clutch if it isn't required.
Thanks.But it is not seem MGU-H energy come from heat.