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Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:06**

J.A.W. wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:00
Maybe he should swap rides with Lorenzo for 2019?

That'd be a real test of his mettle..

It is just adaptation matter. Every Honda and ducati experienced riders says that riding Honda is harder

Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:09**

Ducati chassis too stiff to gauge front-end grip. Just like normal road road riders can't get the last potential from a motogp bike.

etusch wrote:
J.A.W. wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:00
Maybe he should swap rides with Lorenzo for 2019?

That'd be a real test of his mettle..
It is just adaptation matter. Every Honda and ducati experienced riders says that riding Honda is harder

Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:13**

Bill_Kar wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 14:40
I have an honest question. Why Ducati is keeping this bike's philosophy? It's destined to fail. One championship, so are they waiting for the next Casey?
OK, it'll be a headache to start from scrap, but what have they earned from all of this?

They have a engine power advantage and good acceleration advantage thanks to longer wheelbase. Their bike looks more stable at high speeds and braking. More gentle on tyres. They just lost on turns. They bring winglets to motogp for better acceleration. It looks like they don't want change their aproach but make better their bike in their way.

Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:16**

etusch wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:06

J.A.W. wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:00
Maybe he should swap rides with Lorenzo for 2019?

That'd be a real test of his mettle..
It is just adaptation matter. Every Honda and ducati experienced riders says that riding Honda is harder

Somehow, I think Dovi might disagree with that.. esp' tonight..

( & so might the last US Moto GP Champ.. if he could.. the 'KY kid' - won it on a Honda, but never even got 1 win, on the Ducati).

Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:22**

etusch wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:13

Bill_Kar wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 14:40
I have an honest question. Why Ducati is keeping this bike's philosophy? It's destined to fail. One championship, so are they waiting for the next Casey?
OK, it'll be a headache to start from scrap, but what have they earned from all of this?
They have a engine power advantage and good acceleration advantage thanks to longer wheelbase. Their bike looks more stable at high speeds and braking. More gentle on tyres. They just lost on turns. They bring winglets to motogp for better acceleration. It looks like they don't want change their aproach but make better their bike in their way.

Ducati's 'trademark' L-configuration engine forces the longer wheelbase, & the vague turn-in feel to the front-end..

& AFAIR, the downforce aero is to push the front down in high-speed corners, with even the front wheel - fitted with aero..

Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:25**

J.A.W. wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:22

Ducati's 'trademark' L-configuration engine forces the longer wheelbase, & the vague turn-in feel to the front-end..

& AFAIR, the downforce aero is to push the front down in high-speed corners, with even the front wheel - fitted with aero..

I don't think it will help front grip at turns. Just at acceleration

Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:48**

J.A.W. wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:16

etusch wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:06

J.A.W. wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:00
Maybe he should swap rides with Lorenzo for 2019?

That'd be a real test of his mettle..
It is just adaptation matter. Every Honda and ducati experienced riders says that riding Honda is harder
Somehow, I think Dovi might disagree with that.. esp' tonight..

( & so might the last US Moto GP Champ.. if he could.. the 'KY kid' - won it on a Honda, but never even got 1 win, on the Ducati).

Yeah I think it's a bit of overstatement.

Posted: **20 May 2018, 15:50**

etusch wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:13

Bill_Kar wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 14:40
I have an honest question. Why Ducati is keeping this bike's philosophy? It's destined to fail. One championship, so are they waiting for the next Casey?
OK, it'll be a headache to start from scrap, but what have they earned from all of this?
They have a engine power advantage and good acceleration advantage thanks to longer wheelbase. Their bike looks more stable at high speeds and braking. More gentle on tyres. They just lost on turns. They bring winglets to motogp for better acceleration. It looks like they don't want change their aproach but make better their bike in their way.

Yeah sure but it's not the acceleration you want to boost. Ducati has a problem and it's called unpredictability. When you don't feel safe on the bike, you can't extract full potential, so it doesn't matter how fast it is.

Posted: **21 May 2018, 08:34**

etusch wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:25

J.A.W. wrote: ↑
20 May 2018, 15:22

Ducati's 'trademark' L-configuration engine forces the longer wheelbase, & the vague turn-in feel to the front-end..

& AFAIR, the downforce aero is to push the front down in high-speed corners, with even the front wheel - fitted with aero..
I don't think it will help front grip at turns. Just at acceleration

Well, I'll go with what a factory Ducati rider reckons..

So here's Jorge Lorenzo's say - about the winglet/downforce - issue..

"I need more stability... to enter the corners with confidence, with downforce."

& I note that while Dovi initially eschewed use of the downforce option, he has now adopted J.L.'s aero-suite..

Posted: **21 May 2018, 08:59**

Source?

I´ve always hear those winglets are only to help keeping the front wheel down while accelerating

Posted: **21 May 2018, 09:05**

Andres125sx wrote: ↑
21 May 2018, 08:59
Source?

I´ve always hear those winglets are only to help keeping the front wheel down while accelerating

Guess you've got to keep up with what the riders say, eh - Andres.. ( J.L. quote sourced from 'Autosport' April 17th 2018).

Posted: **21 May 2018, 09:22**

Not when that contradict physics

Posted: **21 May 2018, 10:04**

J.L. being a current factory Ducati rider, & a past multiple World Champ.. or Andres' grasp of "physics" - its a tough choice.. not..

& the clincher is.. Dovi - who also took up J.L.'s aero-downforce preference.. to the extent of a front-end lose DNF, yesterday..

Posted: **21 May 2018, 11:05**

I also remember that both Honda riders were talking about winglets that it is good at acceleration but different feelings at turns and they must work on it. Then they didn't use winglets (I think it was the times last season's winter tests)

Posted: **21 May 2018, 12:14**

M.M. certainly chooses to utilize the current Honda downforce/winglet fairing..

Dunno 'bout Dani though..

What with Dani being a puny ~50kg.. yeah, he reported problems wresting the aero-equipped Honda about.. in the past..

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