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I'm glad you seem to enjoy the thread Ciro, in all its peculiarities.

The below suspension was indeed very peculiar, as it had polycarbonate skirts hinged to it, see the wires and levers;

Love that car X ^^


Sprint car front end for those following along at home. Thats a torsion bar solid axle plus a coil over on the damper.




Edit: Also no brakes on the right side wheel.

Ciro Pabón wrote:MG Liquid Suspension Special. Another Indycar. Waiting for a "Scarb Check" on the fluidity...
http://thechicaneblog.com/wp-content/up ... r-1965.jpg

They're surely beer kegs, not sure of the fluidity in those!

Here are a couple of over complicated systems currently on the market. Both of them are aiming to reduce variation of the tyre inclination angle with body movement. Both of them work but at massive costs in terms of mass, complexity and other details.

CC&AR suspension from http://www.walker-partnership.com.

One day I will do a force analysis on this but I suspect it works by putting the force based roll centre really really high.

Sacli suspension, puts two suspension systems together in one axle design.

A few other alternative compliance set ups…

Ligier who in 1982-83 kept trying to get the Citroen hydro pneumatic self-levelling suspension system working.

Tyrrell who tried an electric stepper motor ride height compensator on the 1990 019, then the hydralink hydraulic pitch and roll decoupling system on the 1995 023. In that era many teams tried to get a interlink anti pitch system working.

Luke Pellerin had an interesting pitch\roll control system

I was looking around for a good image of a de Dion and found this, but what make is it, anyone?

scarbs wrote:A few other alternative compliance set ups…

Ligier who in 1982-83 kept trying to get the Citroen hydro pneumatic self-levelling suspension system working.
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Like this Scarbs?

xpensive wrote:...but what make is it, anyone?

Alfa Romeo 75

edit: from beneath

If you recall the image of Mauro Forghieri's 1971 Ferrari 312 B2 rear suspension at the very beginning of this thread,
strangely enough Robin Herd tried the same trick on the March 721X a year later, didn't work there either,
but what were they looking for with their "Suspensioni orizzontali"?

xpensive wrote:
Ferrari 312 B2


March 721X

To me they are both very different suspensions. The only thing in common seems to be the damper mounting which isn't that peculiar at all. Its just a variation on the cantileverd upper arm idea which was pretty common on front and rear axles in this period:
McLaren M23


A Williams I believe:


Pagani are still doing it:


The first one was a little peculiar as it has an inverted upper arm, and a virtual lower arm made of two single links. Then 2 trailing arms. I think this could have been an effort to control toe kinematics and compliance since the tyres are so wide. Any small uncontrolled toe changes would have a large effect on the stability of the car.

The second one is a more straight forward double wishbone albeit with the cantilever/truss actuated damper.

I think the orientation of the dampers had little effect on the performance of the suspension.

I think it was a rather novel concept for a rear suspension in 71-72, as for the front, Robin Herd did this on the 711 in 1971;

This one deserves a mention as well, I guess.

I think the mumford links plus Mallocks trailing arm magic is worth a mention as well ..

and something akin a bit Citroen 2CV and my personal pet idea of a formula 1 suspension :

xpensive wrote:I'm glad you seem to enjoy the thread Ciro, in all its peculiarities...

Well, to me it's like the perfect thread: a lot of posts composed of pictures accompanied by one sentence paragraphs that make you pause at each one and think twice and that force you to inspect them closely, trying to understand what's going on, meanwhile, thinking "wtf is this?"

Exactly like porn.

And, for perfection, with beer kegs! (Scarbs certified, no less).

That's why I spend almost thirty seconds looking for an epitome of the pictures in this thread: it has all. To add insult to injury it allowed me to use the word "epitome".

(Almost) naked weirdly hot girls, strange suspension (orizzontali!), beer kegs or similar. On top of that you have to pause and think "wtf is going on here?". The wonderful summary of a pit stop: perfect racing porn


I think this thread has made me discover something profound about racing.

Pass the bong, Tim Wright, Marcush, sebp, bros.

(just joking, ha, ha. I'd never, evaaar, admit to use bongs)

Hi, Flyn, nice to coincide again.

Not xactly F1, but more suspensioni orrizontali porn for Ciro, Serpent 1/8 RC model car;



@marcush; Where in the world did you find that image, in a patent-document of sorts?