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One word: Suzukiswift Seriously. People say it's like a new version of the original Mini.

It's sad to hear that a new Asian car is more like the original Mini than the new Mini itself.

And why is the Swift that good???

Lukewarm reception here in the UK....and apart from C.Ronaldo being part of its advertising campaign its been pretty inconspicuous. Sadly as it looks pretty cool...

I drive the BMW 1class and it is a delightful car to drive and look at. These Beamers are not cheap but they are the class of their field in terms of handling. All other cars have front wheel drive which is no good to me. I would accept AWD but that isn't on offer in this economical vehicle class with good transportation either. The cabin is slightly smaller because they need to fit engines longitudinally compared to transversal front drive fit.

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:And why is the Swift that good???

Lukewarm reception here in the UK....and apart from C.Ronaldo being part of its advertising campaign its been pretty inconspicuous. Sadly as it looks pretty cool...

Lukewarm only amongst those who see badge before all else. A number of magazines have held the Swift Sport in high esteem for a while.

I drove a Swift Sport for 3 years (company car) and it's a cracking little car. Has enough 'go' to be useable and decent handling to enjoy the reaqsonable grip. Only minus is that the steering, in common with most electric assisted systems, is lacking in feel.

Kit levels are good and for less cash than the Mini you get more room and as much fun. Good spec too.

WhiteBlue wrote:I drive the BMW 1class and it is a delightful car to drive and look at. These Beamers are not cheap but they are the class of their field in terms of handling. All other cars have front wheel drive which is no good to me. I would accept AWD but that isn't on offer in this economical vehicle class with good transportation either. The cabin is slightly smaller because they need to fit engines longitudinally compared to transversal front drive fit.

Apparently something like 80% (recent survey of UK 1-series drivers quoted on the radio) of 1-series drivers think their cars are front wheel drive! Which says it all really.

And why is front wheel drive no good for you?

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Ok, Citroen 2CV......

If not I cant help as Im afraid I dont have a list of manufaturers or models from Argentina. Good luck otherwise...

Well... is it in the production assembly line yet?

Just_a_fan wrote:
And why is front wheel drive no good for you?

He may like to put the ESP off and drift a little bit?

WhiteBlue wrote:I drive the BMW 1class and it is a delightful car to drive and look at. These Beamers are not cheap but they are the class of their field in terms of handling. All other cars have front wheel drive which is no good to me. I would accept AWD but that isn't on offer in this economical vehicle class with good transportation either. The cabin is slightly smaller because they need to fit engines longitudinally compared to transversal front drive fit.

WB

I think the 1 series is a default choice amongst enthusiasts. Especially people that enjoy a good drive. Yes it has slightly less room than a Focus, but is that the point of a hatchback? If you want room you buy an MPV. If you want cheap you buy Korean(bloody good little cars they make nowdays).

I was trying to explain to a couple on here the pros of the 1 series far outweigh its cons.
A 123d 1 series with 20,000 on the clock can be had for £14k.
Thats £2k less than a new Focus Tdci

Just_a_fan wrote:

WhiteBlue wrote:I drive the BMW 1class and it is a delightful car to drive and look at. These Beamers are not cheap but they are the class of their field in terms of handling. All other cars have front wheel drive which is no good to me. I would accept AWD but that isn't on offer in this economical vehicle class with good transportation either. The cabin is slightly smaller because they need to fit engines longitudinally compared to transversal front drive fit.

Apparently something like 80% (recent survey of UK 1-series drivers quoted on the radio) of 1-series drivers think their cars are front wheel drive! Which says it all really.

And why is front wheel drive no good for you?

Because I'm also a long time motorcycle rider and good vehicle dynamics matter to me. The BMW engine really has some grunt and the best way of getting that power down is either rear wheel or AW drive.

It would make no difference to my girl friend. She has problems with spatial relationships which makes her drive extremely carefully and slow. She loves the Beamer also, but that's because it got electrically heated seats and a hookup for her I-phone. In her 15 year old cinquecento she always gets a cold bum and she has no music.

Just_a_fan wrote:

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:And why is the Swift that good???

Lukewarm reception here in the UK....and apart from C.Ronaldo being part of its advertising campaign its been pretty inconspicuous. Sadly as it looks pretty cool...

Lukewarm only amongst those who see badge before all else. A number of magazines have held the Swift Sport in high esteem for a while.

I drove a Swift Sport for 3 years (company car) and it's a cracking little car. Has enough 'go' to be useable and decent handling to enjoy the reaqsonable grip. Only minus is that the steering, in common with most electric assisted systems, is lacking in feel.

Kit levels are good and for less cash than the Mini you get more room and as much fun. Good spec too.

For the money there were allegedly better cars.
Shamefully I dont even know how much it costs But like I said...it looks the part. I think it needs a fire breathing range topper to let the filtration effect go through its modle range.

And Belatti that 2CV looks HAPPENING!

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: A 123d 1 series with 20,000 on the clock can be had for £14k.
Thats £2k less than a new Focus Tdci

Check this page:

http://www.autocosmos.com.ar/autos/usad ... iesel.aspx

4 year old cars with more than 20,000 miles for USD 32K...

See why the majority of us drive sardine cans arround here?

And no, here there is no Brazilian Ethanol and I cant go to Chile or Brazil to get a car, my wallet or excuses wont convince customs

Belatti wrote:FIAT PALIO

RENAULT CLIO

VW GOL TREND

Are these your only three choices? I would rather walk

Belatti wrote:

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: A 123d 1 series with 20,000 on the clock can be had for £14k.
Thats £2k less than a new Focus Tdci

Check this page:

http://www.autocosmos.com.ar/autos/usad ... iesel.aspx

4 year old cars with more than 20,000 miles for USD 32K...

See why the majority of us drive sardine cans arround here?

And no, here there is no Brazilian Ethanol and I cant go to Chile or Brazil to get a car, my wallet or excuses wont convince customs

Belatti straight up man, get yourself a W123 Mercedes 230E or the original 190E merc. If you can stratch to the W124 you will be laughing. They just do not break and will iron out even the harshest roads. If you know the right place you can even get an Iphone dock for one!

Is a 1.6 too big? VW Nuevo Fox. The CrossFox looks interesting to me.