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Cam wrote:

Huntresa wrote:...to manufacture a tyre that will work atleast 85-90% OKish on 11 different cars.

Yep, that's where we're at. Never would I have thought supplying a component that was 85-90% OKish to F1 (or any major organisation), would be acceptable. I stand corrected. And appalled.

Do you even know what i mean by 85-90% OKish for 11 cars? It is almost impossible to supply tyres that would work 100% for every car on this grid since every car on this grid works completely different even if built by same regulations.

Just look at Mercedes, they have been eating tyres for 3 years. The tyres work on every car BUT DIFFERENTLY on every car.

F1andDone wrote:Does anyone think that Pirelli is embarrassed at this point? The tire maker gets into Motorsport to advertise and Formula 1 is the biggest stage. If I were a Pirelli executive I'd be pissed off at the 2013 tire gimmick that F1 is playing. Bahrain was OK but the prior races were all about tire management. I want to see these guys race and not watch a tire chess match.

China was the race where it wasnt good, cause we had a too soft compound, we wouldnt even have this conversation if they had brought a harder tyre, which is a gamble they make for every track and now they are playing safe just because of that mistake which in itself is gonna be boring aswell, just as china was boring.

Aus and Mal was fine and Bahrain was good.

I fail to see how Bahrain was actually a good race. The tyres made it one long series of pitstops, with people jumping from 10th to 2nd in 4 laps and going backward the next laps. We have seen merely 3 battles on track, and usually the battles were broken up when someone had to pit. It's not really the racing that I want to see.

Anyway, about the prototypes at Barcelona. Pirelli have indeed brought a harder tyre to increase running, but it's only going to work if it has similar mechanical properties as the other current tyres. F1 cars are extremely sensitive on tyre wall bending, especially in rear downforce. It's such an important factor that it will be useless to do any kind of aerodynamic diffuser / floor testing if teams are not aware of the tyre's bending properties. And so far, it does not look like they are.

Tomba wrote:I fail to see how Bahrain was actually a good race. The tyres made it one long series of pitstops, with people jumping from 10th to 2nd in 4 laps and going backward the next laps. We have seen merely 3 battles on track, and usually the battles were broken up when someone had to pit. It's not really the racing that I want to see.

Anyway, about the prototypes at Barcelona. Pirelli have indeed brought a harder tyre to increase running, but it's only going to work if it has similar mechanical properties as the other current tyres. F1 cars are extremely sensitive on tyre wall bending, especially in rear downforce. It's such an important factor that it will be useless to do any kind of aerodynamic diffuser / floor testing if teams are not aware of the tyre's bending properties. And so far, it does not look like they are.

Did you watch last years Bahrain GP instead of this years ? We had good genuine battles all over.

Huntresa wrote:

Tomba wrote:I fail to see how Bahrain was actually a good race. The tyres made it one long series of pitstops, with people jumping from 10th to 2nd in 4 laps and going backward the next laps. We have seen merely 3 battles on track, and usually the battles were broken up when someone had to pit. It's not really the racing that I want to see.

Did you watch last years Bahrain GP instead of this years ? We had good genuine battles all over.

No, they weren't. P2 vs P12 is not good genuine battles. This is what (correct me if I'm wrong Tomba) he was talking about, perception vs reality.

To try and get my point across, watch this, then ask yourself... what is racing? What is F1? What do you pay attention too?

Enjoy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmpYnxlEh0c[/youtube]

Cam wrote:

Huntresa wrote:

Tomba wrote:I fail to see how Bahrain was actually a good race. The tyres made it one long series of pitstops, with people jumping from 10th to 2nd in 4 laps and going backward the next laps. We have seen merely 3 battles on track, and usually the battles were broken up when someone had to pit. It's not really the racing that I want to see.

Did you watch last years Bahrain GP instead of this years ? We had good genuine battles all over.

No, they weren't. P2 vs P12 is not good genuine battles. This is what (correct me if I'm wrong Tomba) he was talking about, perception vs reality.

To try and get my point across, watch this, then ask yourself... what is racing? What is F1? What do you pay attention too?

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmpYnxlEh0c

Well if you cant see it for anything else then perception id rather have that then the reality of harder tyres, like in 2009 and 2010, if we are gonna keep to the current Formula.

And even before that, like Bahrain between Schumi and Alonso in 05 or 06, Static until the last pitstop where Alonso gained 1sec and got past and we had static but they changed place.

Also with the bullying to get harder tyres we will see Red Bull just romp away now the next few races, sad but true.

Fia and Team should keep only the Pirelli calendar for 2014 and choose another tyre manufactureer for serious racing.

http://www.race-week.com/2013/03/carefu ... es-eugene/

So the prototype tire is the same as the current hard but from a different factory.

So Paul Di Resta just had a tyre failure, what a joke these tyres are!

Turns out Force India don't understand the tyres either

Dyanxx wrote:So Paul Di Resta just had a tyre failure, what a joke these tyres are!

Yeah the construction is obv wrong or the factory has made them wrong and there for they wanted to test the tyre from the other factory

While I really don't care about all the whining regarding tyre performance and how it messes up with this team or that, I guess now we just entered the danger zone. Several consecutive failures with 3 different teams in less than two complete racing weekends.

Something is wrong there, and that's not 'debries'.

Any photos of the tire failures? Just curious.. if they are "punctures" like the other week ("punctures" from "debris" where the tire is still holding all the air! Ha!)

Jersey Tom wrote:Any photos of the tire failures? Just curious.. if they are "punctures" like the other week ("punctures" from "debris" where the tire is still holding all the air! Ha!)

DiResta tyre failure really looked like delamination.