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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 21:30
by munudeges
I believe Ferrari have already had a good chuckle at the images of the Mercedes and Renault engines and stated that they will look nothing like that.
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 07:52
by Chuckjr
Thanks.
I hope they have something up their sleeve that really works to maybe make up for their poor chassis results...
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 12:09
by SectorOne
CHT wrote:Does anyone know how many tenths is kers worth in 2014? just wondering if one of the top team has kers issuenduring qualifying will they end up all the way at the back.
it's probably seconds next year. I think this year it's around 3-4 tenths so imagine twice the output and for much longer durations.
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 14:35
by Blackout
CHT wrote:Does anyone know how many tenths is kers worth in 2014? just wondering if one of the top team has kers issuenduring qualifying will they end up all the way at the back.
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 25#p456325
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 29#p456329
Nothing new but it looks nice
http://vimeo.com/73203979
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 15 Oct 2013, 09:38
by Kiril Varbanov
Speedweek offers a glimpse of Honda 2015 engine sound, but I'm not really sure at the authenticity of the article, etc.
http://www.speedweek.com//formel1/news/ ... Honda.html
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 15 Oct 2013, 16:13
by Ferraripilot
clearly revving higher than we have heard before. Sounds nice
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 17 Oct 2013, 12:25
by Kiril Varbanov
Mercedes engine boss Andy Cowell says power units will not be dominant factor in 2014 -
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/10/m ... r-in-2014/
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 17 Oct 2013, 14:11
by dren
He basically says the same thing that has been echoed here, that the power units will all be relatively close in output. There will be more of an initial spread than there is now, but that isn't so much. But then again, there are those believers that Mercedes is 100hp up on everyone...
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 17 Oct 2013, 14:23
by aleks_ader
dren wrote:He basically says the same thing that has been echoed here, that the power units will all be relatively close in output. There will be more of an initial spread than there is now, but that isn't so much. But then again, there are those believers that Mercedes is 100hp up on everyone...
I think everyone who had any tech knowledge don't bothered with it! It is just pure modern "exclusive reporting", without any common sense...
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 08:51
by Blackout
Some Magneti Marelli MGUH and MGUK 'prototypes' + a 2012 battery
Edit
What do you think of the sizes ? how bigger the real units will be ?
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 10:32
by wuzak
Blackout wrote:What do you think of the sizes ? how bigger the real units will be ?
90kW MGUK - surely they mean 120kW?
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 10:49
by Blackout
I mixed the K and H up. Yes, MGU-K should be 120kw but I have no pic that proves it.
MGU H shown there produces 90kw for sure.
http://www.formel1.de/fotos/fotostrecke ... -19/522355
Found this earlier post
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 01#p452101
Reca wrote:During the pre-gp grid walk the Italian tv technical commentator ing.Giancarlo Bruno, has shown the Magneti Marelli MGU-H for 2014 (presumably an early development version):
http://i.imgur.com/8pu9jDa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fJMnKPi.jpg
He said that it will produce 120hp revving at 120k rpm (rules allow up to 125k). No mention about the weight, but he was "playing" with it rather easily with a single hand, so I doubt we are talking about 10kg or more, probably something like 5-7 at max.
For a comparison, in 2011 Bruno had shown the 60 kW KERS of 2009 and 2011 (with carbon shell), he claimed the latter was 30% lighter. (apologize for the worse quality of these but I had still the old recording equipment back then):
http://i.imgur.com/DnuqW0j.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rkSBlly.jpg
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 11:03
by aleks_ader
For comparison here is video from 2011... + shows single battery cell.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2mC8P8oej8[/youtube]
But sorry for a bit of topic. but it should give a representation how things developed throw years...
Ps. could anyone load a 2013 video from that "gridwalk" where Bruno explains MGU-H? Thanx!
Maybe you Reca? Could you load it on yt? Just copple minutes? Cuold you? If you dont want or is there any autorization problems please send me a PM! THX!
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 12:06
by Kiril Varbanov
Officially from Honda!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=431h20gvm3M[/youtube]
Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula
Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 14:07
by Abarth
I effectively forgot that in 1988, there was a fuel limit of 150 litres, today we have 100kg or 130-140 litres.
It is said that the V6 turbo engines from Ferrari and Honda back then had around 700 hp with the mandatory limited boost of 2.5bar.
We are not that much away frome these numbers, and with all the compounding and brake recovery stuff and D.I., well, they should manage to almost fully use available power over one race.