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i can quite believe the cars will be 5 secs slower. Everything in 2014 is reducing the speed of the cars

slower engine
smaller and restricted front wings
smaller rear wings
no beam wing
lower noses
no barge boards
no turning vanes

looking rather dull 2014 onwards. They should have tried to balance it out a bit more, allow venturi tunnels or something (gain more downforce from the floor)

I know people keep saying that the engineers will claw back any deficit in quick time - but how much can you actually take? I mean, the closer to the perfect design you get - then diminishing returns kick in

well whenever a team comes up with something that really claws back the time it gets banned

at this rate there isn't going to be much difference between F1 and GP2

astracrazy wrote:i can quite believe the cars will be 5 secs slower. Everything in 2014 is reducing the speed of the cars

slower engine
smaller and restricted front wings
smaller rear wings
no beam wing
lower noses
no barge boards
no turning vanes

looking rather dull 2014 onwards. They should have tried to balance it out a bit more, allow venturi tunnels or something (gain more downforce from the floor)

F1 cars from 2004 were the fastest and they also havent had any front wings, beam wings,...Well they had a lot more power

They had a beam wing and a massive diffuser



And a huge barge boards that extended almost to the front wheel axis



Side pods which looked like these



And the tyre war which would have been atleast 2 sec

the cars are night and day (or even further apart than that if its possible)

2014 F1 car???

WhiteBlue wrote:

FoxHound wrote:.. cars of the last 25 years that have gone on to win, have been the best aerodynamically.

What about the tyre wars of 2001-2006. I remember that Montezemolo said it was a tyre championship and not about the cars at all. So it can't have been all about aero. And engine power was also something that mattered before the freeze.

I seem to remember LdM bemoaning the tyre war although he was happy enough for Bridgestone to supply bespoke tyres for Schuie's titles. Hypocrite, LdM.

One exhaust is out of the turbo, the other out the wastegate.

edit - bad spellun.

allstaruk08 wrote:yeah i read on a few articles saying the cars will be 5 seconds slower, im sure the engineers will find a way to lessen that number. plus i didnt understand the double exhausts since it will be coming out of a turbo

BoomBoom wrote:2014 F1 car???

WTF

indycar

astracrazy wrote:indycar

No.
This is the IndyCar:

ye i know, its a pre-interpretation of the changes. Put in indycar 2012 in google images and see how many come up just like that

hpras wrote:One exhaust is out of the turbo, the other out the wastegate.

edit - bad spellun.

allstaruk08 wrote:yeah i read on a few articles saying the cars will be 5 seconds slower, im sure the engineers will find a way to lessen that number. plus i didnt understand the double exhausts since it will be coming out of a turbo

hmm do you think they will have such a long pipe coming out of the wastegate??

allstaruk08 wrote:

hpras wrote:One exhaust is out of the turbo, the other out the wastegate.

edit - bad spellun.

allstaruk08 wrote:yeah i read on a few articles saying the cars will be 5 seconds slower, im sure the engineers will find a way to lessen that number. plus i didnt understand the double exhausts since it will be coming out of a turbo

hmm do you think they will have such a long pipe coming out of the wastegate??

Many cars have ran long wastegate pipes. My guess is they wont run divorced downpipes, theyll merge after a certain distance