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Posted: 23 Aug 2007, 14:08
by Belatti
2007 Frankfurt Motorshow (IAA)
Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 22:10
by mx_tifoso
Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 23:55
by benjabulle
I just compared with the track 430 Challenge, which is now almost 2 years old. The biggest progress must be with the gearbox, 60ms to change gears instead of 150 ms for the Challenge (less than 40 ms for a F1 quickshift gearbox). Aerodynamic is also well improved, 6 vanes at the rear diffuser instead of 4, a different shape for the diffuser also ? You can quote the more agressive front with small splitters in front of the cooling intakes. I made a page with the Challenge car, seen 2 weeks ago at the P.Ricard,
http://www.gurneyflap.com/ferrarichallenge.html , but forgot to take photos of the Scuderia type which was there
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 18:18
by mx_tifoso
benjabulle wrote: Aerodynamic is also well improved, 6 vanes at the rear diffuser instead of 4, a different shape for the diffuser also ? You can quote the more agressive front with small splitters in front of the cooling intakes.
Regarding the diffuser, it has evolved since it's appearance on the F430 Berlinetta. Much of the car's overall design has undegone significant changes throughout the model's current life span.
But the diffuser went from 4 vanes to 6 on the Scuderia version. I don't know how to explain this in a more "professional" way at the moment, but the vanes do not go all the way to the top of the actual diffuser, they now slant a bit downwards and only the most inner-one reaches the top.
Here is the F430 Berlinetta's diffuser for comparison.
And the F430 Scuderia does without the quad-exhaust, it has gone down to a centrally located dual-exhaust.
Nice link BTW. Very good shots. And if the Scuderia was present there, then maybe that is where they shot the footage of it for Ferrari's official site's.
Are you located in France?
Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 19:52
by benjabulle
I just watched the movie on Ferrari's official site, yes it was done at the P.Ricard. I remember now they were working on a footage, see the F430 Spider below with the cameras. I've done a page on the FXX also if you're interested in that kind of monster
:
http://www.gurneyflap.com/ferrarifxx.html and yes I'm located in france
[IMG:640:426]http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4563/f430yg2.jpg[/img]
Posted: 17 Sep 2007, 21:20
by mx_tifoso
More/new information on the F430 Scuderia. From what I read and noticed, this link has a lot more and new information regarding the development on this car, mechanical and aero as well. It happens to give more insight as to the development of the diffuser, which we were discussing a little while ago. And how the FXX project has helped develop some ideas on this model. It's great to see how much this model has been advanced compared to the standard version (even piston design and compression ratio!).
Good read, even if you don't have a particular taste for
red cars.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/3285 ... deria.html
Posted: 18 Sep 2007, 15:30
by Cyco
Does anyone know the details of the Base Bleed system on this and the FXX (mentioned in the ultimatecarpage.com link)?
Base Bleed
Posted: 18 Sep 2007, 18:00
by mx_tifoso
Cyco wrote:Does anyone know the details of the Base Bleed system on this and the FXX (mentioned in the ultimatecarpage.com link)?
I have found more articles where it explains (somewhat) what they mean when they refer to the "Base Bleed System". I would assume it applies to both the F430 and the FXX, as it is derived from the latter. I hope it answers your questions/doubts.
Aerodynamic channels both fore and in the midsection are fitted with adjustable flaps that control the airflow. When road speed exceeds 150 mph, the midsection flaps achieve a "base bleed," diverting flow into channels that exit on the car’s rearmost surface, just below the twin exhaust outlets on either side.
This achieves several goals: It trades away a bit of unnecessary downforce and concomitant drag. And it reduces drag further by beneficially affecting the car’s wake, that inherently low-pressure region being dragged along at the rear. Flow from the four exhaust outlets also contributes to this wake drag reduction. (Ferrari’s F1 cars used exhaust flow in a similarly beneficial manner, their goal being to optimize flow over the rear wing elements.) Last, smallish winglets atop the rear flanks of the FXX fine-tune the wake control.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp ... int_page=y
Twin venturis run from the front wheel houses to the rear bumpers, a system termed "Base Bleed", first seen on the FXX track-only Enzo derivative. This decreases the aerodynamic pressure at the rear and improves downforce
http://www.carfolio.com/
New pic of the rear end.
Posted: 19 Sep 2007, 07:18
by West
I can't say I like the Alcantara interior.
Posted: 26 Sep 2007, 22:18
by Tp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYDY-1RAFrk
So apparently the gearshift is just as quick as that in a F2004...
For fun everyone can go ahead an compare the two cars as if they were equal, but they ARE NOT EQUAL IMHO. Just because they have similar bhp figures does not make them equal.
The Gallardo's AWD has the following advantages:
-better offline acceleration
-better braking ability - can brake deeper into corner
-better acceleration out of corner - can accelerate sooner out of corner
-better overall traction
This is the reason the FIA banned the Audi A4 AWD Quattro system from BTCC racing after '97. The Audi Quattro cars ran away with the title. And now guess who makes the Gallardo...Audi.
Another advatage the Gallardo S had is its low weight of 1330 kg with the advantages noted above of AWD and 700cc larger engine vs. the 430 S weight of 1250 kg. Add in the superior grunt & torque advantage of V-10 engine, and the Gallardo is a totally different animal. They may look the same in size & power, but IMO the Gallardo has a definite demonstrable advantage on the track.
Theoretically yes, but..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYUi88yP3Es..in reality, not.
Posted: 27 Sep 2007, 20:35
by mx_tifoso
I believe its one of the very first to come out about this specific car!
Good job, it was quite enjoyable to watch.
Hope more come out sooner or later. If anyone comes across any of them, post them here!
Posted: 02 Oct 2007, 18:48
by mx_tifoso
Re: F430 Scuderia
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 20:05
by mx_tifoso
Now the F430 Scuderia has a new version of a Lamborghini to worry about....
The newly updated version of the Gallardo, although the "new" version isn't called a Gallardo, it is now named the LP560-4.
Basic stats:
552bhp 5.2L V10 (32bhp more than previsous version)
1410 kilograms (20kg's less than previous version)
Auto Express- Lamborghini's secret LP560-4 breaks cover at Geneva
Motor Authority- Lamborghini LP560-4 hits the floor at Geneva
....I believe an update for the standard F430 is much overdue by now.
Re: F430 Scuderia
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 21:51
by manchild
Design-wise, Lamborghini is immeasurably superior. It's got fully defined shape while Ferrari has really lost is when it matters design. Even the Ferrari supercars have awful design. They have great technical insides and performance but the bodywork is simply chaotic.
It all started with 348. Totally undefined philosophy behind the design, bit of 70s and 80s Ferraris, bit of Porsche curvy bodywork, bit of F1 cars - all in all, really ugly. I don't doubt aero efficiency/downforce of bodywork but the design is total failure. Like one car made of parts taken from several completely different cars.
The only still great looking Ferrari cars are those with engine in front, like Ferrari 599, 612, 550.
Enzo, F50, 456, 430, 360, 355, 348 are the ugliest Ferraris ever made.
Re: F430 Scuderia
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 23:59
by mx_tifoso
Opinions over aesthetics differ from person to person, so what may possibly be the most important aspect of a car is the overall performance, and mechanical specifications. And at the moment the F430 and the Gallardo/LP560-4 are vastly different from each other, so like other members have previously stated in this thread, comparing the two is an arguable decision (whther you agree with it or not).
Obviously, both cars have their pros and cons, but you have to admire what the Ferrari manages to achieve with two cylinders and almost a litre less.
Whether which one is superior over the other, it all depends on who you ask.
Long live Formula 1 and F1Technical