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Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 23 Jan 2010, 21:00
by safeaschuck
riff_raff wrote:I would imagine that most teams want to build their own housings, since this would allow them to locate the rear suspension attachments where they need them. It would also allow them to tailor the torsional and bending stiffness of the housing to suit their chassis design.
However, I doubt that many of the teams actually make their gearbox internals in-house. Making shafts, gearsets, dog rings, etc. requires some very specialized and expensive machinery and processing facilities.
Sorry Raff Should have clarified, When I say 'built' I am likening to 'Assembled' as do many of the teams. When I said 'Made' I meant Machined/Formed/Cut/Stamped. I think this is the way they use their language also. When in comes to bonding peices of pre-formed CF I'm not sure where the distinction would lie, I would still call that building/assembly.
Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 23 Jan 2010, 21:07
by FW17
safeaschuck wrote:riff_raff wrote:I would imagine that most teams want to build their own housings, since this would allow them to locate the rear suspension attachments where they need them. It would also allow them to tailor the torsional and bending stiffness of the housing to suit their chassis design.
However, I doubt that many of the teams actually make their gearbox internals in-house. Making shafts, gearsets, dog rings, etc. requires some very specialized and expensive machinery and processing facilities.
Sorry Raff Should have clarified, When I say 'built' I am likening to 'Assembled' as do many of the teams. When I said 'Made' I meant Machined/Formed/Cut/Stamped. I think this is the way they use their language also. When in comes to bonding peices of pre-formed CF I'm not sure where the distinction would lie, I would still call that building/assembly.
The gearbox is still designed by the teams, the manufacture of the components are outsourced. Then they are assembled by the teams in their own casings.
Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 23 Jan 2010, 22:44
by safeaschuck
WilliamsF1 wrote:The gearbox is still designed by the teams, the manufacture of the components are outsourced. Then they are assembled by the teams in their own casings.
Well yes, every bit of the car is the teams own, even if they just bolted it on, they don't make the spark plugs in house for instance, but they would still be Williams F1 spark plugs if they are bespoke for their car.
If the gearbox casings are ally or mag, they were probably designed and finish machined in house but actually produced by a 3rd party, still be the teams case.
Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 29 Jan 2010, 18:57
by autogyro
They are all still using a layshaft geartrain concept that is over a century out of date.
Shame realy.
Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 31 Jan 2010, 21:11
by Ciro Pabón
I moved some posts to the thread named "Autogyro's transmission concept". Please, keep it on thread, thanks in advance.
Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 31 Jan 2010, 23:44
by autogyro
Thanks Ciro and sorry but I got fed up reading about all the leading edge technology being used just to encase an outdated and obsolete geartrain from the 19th century.
Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 01 Feb 2010, 11:27
by scarbs
At the launches Sauber confirm they are using Ferraris gearbox (carbon hybrid) and Renault said theirs was a titanium case, but wouldn't expand on the additon of carbon to its exterior. USF1's wil lbe transverse and the longitudenal one in the video isnt the race gearbox
Re: 2010 Gearboxes for New Teams
Posted: 01 Feb 2010, 11:34
by autogyro
scarbs wrote:At the launches Sauber confirm they are using Ferraris gearbox (carbon hybrid) and Renault said theirs was a titanium case, but wouldn't expand on the additon of carbon to its exterior. USF1's wil lbe transverse and the longitudenal one in the video isnt the race gearbox
If USF1 do use a transverse gearbox and if from it they have reduced the hopeless wheelbase dictated by the 'conventional' route, then they could end up with the only car with any useful mechanical handling.
Mind you, transverse gearboxes have been used before for short periods until the torque loss has been measured.