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Re: Shifting gears with broken clutch
Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 01:28
by raymondu999
Alonso, after Malaysia, had 6 engines he was allowed to race. The one used in Bahrain Qualifying was replaced just after qualifying. This meant that that engine was no longer allowed to qualify or race. So in terms of engines he's allowed to race, he's still 6 now. But yes, it affected his overall 8. So the 4 new engines, the Melbourne engine, and the China race engine will all have to do the rest of the year for him.
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 14:20
by raymondu999
If someone uses an engine in quali, and doesn't use it for the race, then that engine can't race anymore, and neither can it qualify, as per the regs. So that would have been usable only for FP purposes. But it still counts towards the 8.
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 05 May 2010, 00:57
by csponton
I just finished completing the table on the use of the updated engines Chinese GP. The distances are represented in kimometri
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 17 May 2010, 02:39
by manchild
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/erge ... 6/76.shtml
GP Monaco in Monte Carlo
Pos. Fahrer Team Motor km letzter Wechsel vor
1 S. Vettel Red Bull Renault 910 China, 3. Freies Training
2 F. Massa Ferrari Ferrari 894 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
3 R. Kubica Renault Renault 879 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
4 N. Hülkenberg Williams Cosworth 872 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
5 J. Button McLaren Mercedes 868 China, 3. Freies Training
6 J. Alguersuari Toro Rosso Ferrari 864 China, 3. Freies Training
7 V. Petrov Renault Renault 861 China, 3. Freies Training
8 A. Sutil Force India Mercedes 853 China, 3. Freies Training
9 L. Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 842 China, 3. Freies Training
10 M. Schumacher Mercedes Mercedes 803 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
11 M. Webber Red Bull Renault 786 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
12 R. Barrichello Williams Cosworth 774 China, Qualifying
13 N. Rosberg Mercedes Mercedes 774 China, 3. Freies Training
14 F. Alonso Ferrari Ferrari 731 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
15 B. Senna HRT Cosworth 706 China, 3. Freies Training
16 J. Trulli Lotus Cosworth 679 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
17 P. de la Rosa Sauber Ferrari 647 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
18 K. Kobayashi Sauber Ferrari 592 China, 3. Freies Training
19 S. Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari 592 China, 3. Freies Training
20 V. Liuzzi Force India Mercedes 520 China, 3. Freies Training
21 K. Chandhok HRT Cosworth 504 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
22 H. Kovalainen Lotus Cosworth 462 Spanien, 3. Freies Training
23 L. di Grassi Virgin Cosworth 458 China, 3. Freies Training
24 T. Glock Virgin Cosworth 385 China, 3. Freies Training
Anzahl der bisherigen Motorwechsel
Pos. Nr. zuletzt gefahren von Team Motor Motoren
1 7 F. Massa Ferrari Ferrari 4
2 8 F. Alonso Ferrari Ferrari 4
3 22 P. de la Rosa Sauber Ferrari 4
4 1 J. Button McLaren Mercedes 3
5 2 L. Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 3
6 3 M. Schumacher Mercedes Mercedes 3
7 4 N. Rosberg Mercedes Mercedes 3
8 5 S. Vettel Red Bull Renault 3
9 6 M. Webber Red Bull Renault 3
10 9 R. Barrichello Williams Cosworth 3
11 10 N. Hülkenberg Williams Cosworth 3
12 11 R. Kubica Renault Renault 3
13 14 A. Sutil Force India Mercedes 3
14 15 V. Liuzzi Force India Mercedes 3
15 16 S. Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari 3
16 17 J. Alguersuari Toro Rosso Ferrari 3
17 18 J. Trulli Lotus Cosworth 3
18 19 H. Kovalainen Lotus Cosworth 3
19 20 K. Chandhok HRT Cosworth 3
20 21 B. Senna HRT Cosworth 3
21 23 K. Kobayashi Sauber Ferrari 3
22 24 T. Glock Virgin Cosworth 3
23 25 L. di Grassi Virgin Cosworth 3
24 12 V. Petrov Renault Renault 2
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 22 May 2010, 10:57
by csponton
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 22 May 2010, 19:22
by ESPImperium
Tried that last year, and it doesnt work that way.
Unless you have intimate insider knowlege, you will never know what the engine milages are. Under the 2005-2008 engine rule you will find out to about around 80-120km below what they are actually are.
F1 2010 Season Driver's Engine Count
Posted: 08 Sep 2010, 15:39
by TunisianF1Fan
Does anyone know what the current status of each drivers engine count is?
The rules stipulate each driver can use only 8 engines per season, i think ferrari are among those who have used up the most engines till now, at least among the top runners, so most importantly, how much new engines are remaining for the redbull and mclaren drivers.
It would be good to keep a running tally in this thread
P.S : do you think used engines are re-usable? can some still have enough life for a race?
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 08 Sep 2010, 15:56
by raymondu999
Methinks we need an updated tracking
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 21 Sep 2010, 12:18
by raymondu999
FOM/FIA has released the usage figures, putting an end to all speculation
http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2010/9/11273.html
Re: F1 2010 Season Driver's Engine Count
Posted: 21 Sep 2010, 15:25
by donskar
TunisianF1Fan wrote:
P.S : do you think used engines are re-usable? can some still have enough life for a race?
From Formula1.com:
"Should they and their fans be worried? Probably not - used units are routinely brought back into service, especially when a circuit is not considered too demanding. But that’s not to say that fresh engines aren’t worth their weight in gold. They are. Not only are they likely to have slightly more power, their drivers will also feel they can push them that little bit harder."
Re: Tracking of engine use - 2010
Posted: 21 Sep 2010, 15:26
by Just_a_fan
It's an interesting little aside that Massa is, I think, the only driver not to retire from a race this season. I wonder if the fact that his "engine pool" will be higher mileage than others will cause him a problem towards the end of the season.
For example, Hamilton's Monza engine (a new one for the race) is effectively unused which might be useful (as is the fact that Webber has only used 6 engines compared to most drivers' use of 7). Indeed, Hamilton and Webber effectively have an engine advantage over the other three front runners with Webber's being a slight further advantage over Hamilton's. Much like the points table really.
true position on unused engines
Posted: 22 Sep 2010, 18:32
by lebesset
lots of chat about how many new engines the various drivers drivers for the remaining races ; we see the figures quoted but what is the reality , personally I have lost track eg
button used an engine for 1 lap at monaco [ apparently without damage ] ; does this count as used or not ? does he , in reality , have 2 new engines still ? or is it a once used engine , or twice or what ????
similarly hamilton didn't get far at monza ; what does that engine count as ? was it new for the race ?
has anyone done an analysis of the true position on engine usage , how many engines have completed 1 race , how many 2 etc , factoring in the only 1 lap scenario mentioned above
Re: true position on unused engines
Posted: 22 Sep 2010, 18:35
by Pup
Seems to be a popular topic around the boards today. This is the best info on engine use that I know of...
http://www.vivaf1.com/engine.php
Re: true position on unused engines
Posted: 22 Sep 2010, 19:21
by panchito401
I get the feeling the activity on this topic is due to the formula1.com post.
I have yet to run across any statistics about how many laps are on any of the engines.
I'm a bit ignorant on the rules regarding this, but you've got to figure that they can use an older/high mileage mill for practices and swap that engine out for a 'race' engine with lower mileage on it for race longevity.
Could you use your Monaco engine for Monza practice and then swap out for Monza qualifying/race? Maybe i'm totally wrong.
I think once you figure out how many miles are on the powerplants you might get a more accurate gauge of where the teams lie.
-f
Re: true position on unused engines
Posted: 22 Sep 2010, 19:44
by Pup
The rules are a bit strange. If you change an engine during an event, meaning practice 3 through the race, then you can only use that engine again at the last race, or for practice.
Otherwise, you can swap engines around as you please, provided you keep to the allotted eight. For example, Vettel alternated between his Spa and Monza engines last year to finish up the season. You can use anything you want, of course, in P1 & P2.
The gearbox rule is completely different, in that you have to use the same unit for four consecutive races, incurring a penalty each time you change it.
If one were really interested, the data below could be cross referenced with the number of laps run in P3, qualifying and the race. I imagine it's safe to assume that race engines aren't used at all in P1 & P2 with the exception of engine no. 1.
Judging from last year, the teams tend to use up the engines consecutively. I believe Vettel was the only one to go back to an older engine. That may change this year with the extra races, with Ferrari the most likely candidate to do so.
