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sgth0mas wrote:

turbof1 wrote:

Bomber_Pilot wrote:
The show is airing tonight and they said, that they will show the footage from another camera, which shows what actually happened.

No it will not. Do you know a show that sends out evidence against their own journalists? The show will edit the tape to their advantage and that of their journalists. It will try to put down the journalists as innocent. If you find that excagerated, think that the journalists went completely from Italy to Marquez' home to deliver a '--- cup', with the sole intention of provoking. They are going to edit the tape and put down Marquez and his family as villians.

When you word it that way...it sounds like they are making a point of showing that if you antagonize someone enough...oh nevermind this point has been argued to death. But i do think they have an underlying message about playing innocent.

Hahaha exactly!

A couple of words about this episode (as it doesn't deserve anything more, really...):

first of all, those two guys are not journalists nor paparazzi...they are clowns (you know...they wanted to give Marquez a penis shaped cup...)
also, they, like their colleagues, have a very clear and standardized modus operandi imposed by their broadcast: they aggressively make fun of their "victim" (always for a reason, though), provoking up to the point the exhausted victim either admits its faults or gives life to a very messy situation (very desirable, audience wise!). They, "Le Iene", do it in full respect of the laws, though... They do want to look like the good guys.
The only way to win a match with them is kidding along with them.

As for the the images: they have none because Marquez family (not MM himself!) stole the camera and destroyed the memory cards, breaking the former too. They, however, have an audio record of the entire episode, which they published during yesterday's show. No evidence of them breaking the law (on contrary of M. father, who used violence against them helped by some other guys). There was evidence, however, of them breaking someone's nerves...

1 freak racing accident = 2 weeks of drama

I can't believe this is still going on...

Looks like lorenzo tried to legally intervene in the whole issue...this does nothing to help his public perception.

http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/mo ... ion-110315

The gall of Rossi enabler/apologists is so post-modern.. as to be absurd..

If those Italian TV clowns, self-styled braying ' hyenas' ..
had tried it on with any real hard-core motorcycle riders.. they'd have copped a proper beating.. so - they were lucky..

As to the disrespect shown to the current & immediate past World Champion, who has maintained his equanimity..
..spendidly.. in the face of a very trying season.. well, fair credit is due, under the circumstances, I reckon..

& as for the ol' man Rossi, he could do well to learn some humility.. to temper his hubristicly morbid ego-sensitivity..

Tim.Wright wrote:

Andres125sx wrote:The only doubt I still had was if maybe it was not a kick but some contact with Marquez handlebar made him crash

This is exactly what I am talking about. The only thing that can be objectively said is that the front brakes were operated. Where that comes from is a matter of opinion.

Surely the presence of large spike in front brake pressure would be evidence of something untoward? You wouldn't normally be applying large front brake pressure with the bike fully leaned over unless your goal is to end up on the tarmac.

Who's up for a different view

bdr529 wrote:Who's up for a different view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UXcFuusm84

Yeah ta BDR... & that Rossi boot going in @ ~ 52secs=M-M crash.. that's something - even "Blind Freddy" - can plainly see..

This discussion for over two weeks shows how good this championship is, and F1 should be jealous. MM should not have engaged Rossi to that extreme knowing that Rossi was racing for the championship. But that does not give immunity to Rossi. We can discuss for many moons what his intent was for driving him out in the curve (obviously this is a fact) - but the fact is, had MM crashed Rossi instead this would be a very different discussion. Rossi deserved the penalty because such a move is too dangerous, but MM could have used his brain and stayed away. On the other side - MotoGP won, so is this really a problem?

*Edit: spelling

bdr529 wrote:Who's up for a different view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UXcFuusm84

I don't know how can people still say MM was an innocent victim after watching this

Cold Fussion wrote:Surely the presence of large spike in front brake pressure would be evidence of something untoward?

Obviously there was a spike a brake pressure. The question, how do you know that it's from a kick an not from the bikes just riding into each other.

CBeck113 wrote:This discussion for over two weeks shows how good this championship is, and F1 should be jealous.

=D>

I watch MotoGP from afar; since it went subscription I haven't kept up. There's a story around MotoGP that's dragging folk in from the periphery. F1 is doing a bloody good job of inadvertently pushing the audience away.

Don't get me wrong, I hear "tyres" in MotoGP as much as in F1 but kudos to Dorna for actually having a strong product.

Tim.Wright wrote:

Andres125sx wrote:The only doubt I still had was if maybe it was not a kick but some contact with Marquez handlebar made him crash

This is exactly what I am talking about. The only thing that can be objectively said is that the front brakes were operated. Where that comes from is a matter of opinion.

So you are seriously saying after:

1- Rossi intentionally slows down to put himself side by side with Marquez as we all can see in any replay
2- Rossi admitted he intentionally pushed Marquez wide
3- Marquez said Rossi kicked him
4- Telemetry shows Marquez lever suffered a hit
5- Brake levers are protected from normal contacts between riders

But we can´t assure Rossi kicked Marquez. What a load of coincidences then

In my opinion, you don't suddenly brake yourself midcorner leaning at 45 degrees. You can slow down yes, by engine braking, but using the brake pedal is in such a position is asking to get down on your face.

So unless Marquez found himself suddenly in love with the asphalt, I highly doubt the brake pedal input came from him. Rossi kicked, Marquez felt. I feel this is very much a case of causality, with Rossi kicking being the cause and Marquez falling down the consequence. I don't think you can reasonably debate that otherwise, since Marquez already leaned on Rossi before it happened. It happened right after Rossi kicked. I think they can prove that by putting video footage next to the telemetry.

variante wrote:As for the the images: they have none because Marquez family (not MM himself!) stole the camera and destroyed the memory cards, breaking the former too. They, however, have an audio record of the entire episode, which they published during yesterday's show. No evidence of them breaking the law (on contrary of M. father, who used violence against them helped by some other guys). There was evidence, however, of them breaking someone's nerves...

Maybe you missed it, but as I said previously, here in Spain we all have seen the images, and they were INSIDE Marquez´s property, so yes, they broke the law

Care to explain how Rossi managed to aim a kick so perfectly that it went around the handlebar guards and operated the brake pedal?