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Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 09 Dec 2024, 19:42
by outer_bongolia
While at it, the floor can be made narrower in front of the rear wheel (as wide as the inside of the rear wheel) so that it will not need that string to hold it together

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 09 Dec 2024, 22:17
by bananapeel23
Do we know how much freedom they will have to play around with the aero boxes? Will the widespread rules mandating fairly large radii and no discontinuities on the bodywork remain, or will they be back to near-2018 levels of bodywork complexity?

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 12 Dec 2024, 09:29
by McLarenHonda
The FIA posted this today! This is probably the last spec of the 2026 aero rules.


Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 12 Dec 2024, 18:24
by outer_bongolia
Are they getting rid of DRS and replacing it with extra power?

I would love if they just increased the drag of the cars so that the car close behind would have a few tenths' worth of extra on the straights without a gimmick (something like preventing outwash on the front tires, minimum nose width, minimum front wing height, ...). Of course it would need to be something adjustable throughout a season to prevent the passes from being too easy.

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 12 Dec 2024, 19:13
by FW17
outer_bongolia wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 18:24
Are they getting rid of DRS and replacing it with extra power?

I would love if they just increased the drag of the cars so that the car close behind would have a few tenths' worth of extra on the straights without a gimmick (something like preventing outwash on the front tires, minimum nose width, minimum front wing height, ...). Of course it would need to be something adjustable throughout a season to prevent the passes from being too easy.

Yeah

We want the overtake to be completed half way down the straight. Any moves in the braking zones are being considered aggressive and 19 drivers are looking to outlaw it.

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 12 Dec 2024, 21:20
by Jambier
With the very poor engine rules I believe there will be more overtake but bad ones

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 12 Dec 2024, 23:03
by bananapeel23
Jambier wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 21:20
With the very poor engine rules I believe there will be more overtake but bad ones
Longer times on the straights means more time to get alongside and pass under braking. Blow by passes won't happen due to the lack of DRS. The massive lack of battery power means they might be able to enable overtake mode for a few seconds to try and get alongside car in front, but if they keep it on any longer, they will be slow on the next lap and will probably get reovertaken. Cars with less downforce and narrower tyres will be a lot more nervous, similar to the 2009 and 2014-16 cars, which means more ability to battle in the corners as well.

Both front and rear DRS for every car and inwash-focused aero means reasonably low amounts of dirty air, but also a weak tow.

These cars should produce better racing and more passing. They will just be really slow under acceleration, like laughably slow, but that is a large part of why they will produce good racing.

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 12 Dec 2024, 23:53
by Seanspeed
bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 23:03
They will just be really slow under acceleration, like laughably slow, but that is a large part of why they will produce good racing.
That's not actually good for overtaking. It means a stronger concertina effect that means it'll be farther down the straight before the car behind starts going faster than the car ahead, meaning there's a shorter distance to actually get alongside.

I think we'll be clamoring for DRS back again before too long. DRS got a bad rap, but it was so often poorly balanced in terms of how much of it was allowed on a given track, and was especially bad when it was given to cars on back-to-back longer straights.

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 13 Dec 2024, 01:44
by deadhead
Tell me we will be able to avoid this sort of monstrosity?

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Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 13 Dec 2024, 03:02
by organic
Seanspeed wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 23:53
bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 23:03
They will just be really slow under acceleration, like laughably slow, but that is a large part of why they will produce good racing.
That's not actually good for overtaking. It means a stronger concertina effect that means it'll be farther down the straight before the car behind starts going faster than the car ahead, meaning there's a shorter distance to actually get alongside.

I think we'll be clamoring for DRS back again before too long. DRS got a bad rap, but it was so often poorly balanced in terms of how much of it was allowed on a given track, and was especially bad when it was given to cars on back-to-back longer straights.
I don't think the radius/number of section rules are changing significantly so should do

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 13 Dec 2024, 12:50
by wuzak
bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 23:03
They will just be really slow under acceleration, like laughably slow, but that is a large part of why they will produce good racing.
They will be very fast at accelerating - that's where the maximum ERS deployment will be used the most.

It will be like the LMP1s from the 2010s. Though, perhaps, without the speed plateauing very early on the straight.

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 13 Dec 2024, 13:35
by FW17
wuzak wrote:
13 Dec 2024, 12:50
bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 23:03
They will just be really slow under acceleration, like laughably slow, but that is a large part of why they will produce good racing.
They will be very fast at accelerating - that's where the maximum ERS deployment will be used the most.



It will be like the LMP1s from the 2010s. Though, perhaps, without the speed plateauing very early on the straight.

Like the porsche 919 evo

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 13 Dec 2024, 20:32
by stewie325
McLarenHonda wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 09:29
The FIA posted this today! This is probably the last spec of the 2026 aero rules.

Why isn't the front suspension symmetrical ??

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 03:08
by organic
stewie325 wrote:
13 Dec 2024, 20:32
McLarenHonda wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 09:29
The FIA posted this today! This is probably the last spec of the 2026 aero rules.

Why isn't the front suspension symmetrical ??
Rendering mistake. The pull rod just got forgotten on one side

Re: 2026 Aerodynamic & Chassis Regulations

Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 14:27
by Vappy
FW17 wrote:
13 Dec 2024, 13:35
wuzak wrote:
13 Dec 2024, 12:50
bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Dec 2024, 23:03
They will just be really slow under acceleration, like laughably slow, but that is a large part of why they will produce good racing.
They will be very fast at accelerating - that's where the maximum ERS deployment will be used the most.



It will be like the LMP1s from the 2010s. Though, perhaps, without the speed plateauing very early on the straight.

Like the porsche 919 evo
What a machine. You could hear that bad boy clear as day when it fully deployed