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Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 16:08
by turbof1
With Hamilton it's always relative. One time he'll be screaming "what happened with the car, man", next race it can be "no man, I'm not gonna change anything, I like the car as it is!". So don't get your hopes up too quickly :)

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 18:55
by xpensive
SectorOne wrote:
xpensive wrote:We'll see who is going to look stooopid in three months time, when Hamilton calls the W05 a truck... :lol:
Saving this one :mrgreen:
Care to take a bet?

Moreover, next year's Big Bertha is likely to be the final straw for Daimler to get the hell out of F1.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 19:03
by SectorOne
xpensive wrote:Care to take a bet?
Would you do bets on a coin toss? Because that´s what this is.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 19:22
by xpensive
Oh it's far more than that, it should be obvious to all that MHPE and Mercedes has gone totally wrong on this now.

Mario Ilien is most probably already in Brixworth trying to help out before the design is frozen by the homologation.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 20:03
by Lycoming
xpensive wrote:Oh it's far more than that, it should be obvious to all that MHPE and Mercedes has gone totally wrong on this now.
How do you figure that without any concrete indicators of actual engine performance?

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 20:16
by SectorOne
xpensive wrote:Oh it's far more than that,
You have an idea that has manifested itself so strongly that you now have processed it as fact in your brain.

And the seed to this manifestation came from this,
Because the proposal was to raise the limit for 2014, it needed an unanimous vote, but correspondent Andrew Benson said Ferrari, Mercedes and Lotus all declined.
This is how I figure;
Ferrari would swing enough to force a change, Renault is typically good with these things, if nothing else Newey makes sure of it,
but MHPE is designing and building their first Formula 1 engine system on their own without Mario IIlen.

Think about it, Mercedes might be overweight from 2014 and on, no wonder McLaren was anxious to get Honda on board asap!

Actually reading your posts you can sort of trace how this went from idea to "fact".

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 21:01
by bonjon1979
xpensive wrote:Oh it's far more than that, it should be obvious to all that MHPE and Mercedes has gone totally wrong on this now.

Mario Ilien is most probably already in Brixworth trying to help out before the design is frozen by the homologation.
This is just weird.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 21:21
by xpensive
Ain't yin yang threads just grand, thanks a whole heap of overweight kilograms richard!

What is 10 kg of driver's weight placed low in the center of the car compared to the same high up in the back of it?

A 2015 best seller by Mario Ilien; "How I successfully put the MHPE turbo V6 on a diet"?

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 22:10
by GitanesBlondes
Mercedes makes the most sense to be singing about potentially overweight engines without actually coming out and saying they have a design problem.

I like xpensive's bold predictions.

Besides, we know Ferrari and Renault are not overweight. To the best of my knowledge neither one of them ever had issues designing overweight engines.

Maybe this is why Ross left MGP though? Mario Illien told Zetsche there is no way he is bailing them out of their engine predicament unless Ross is out the door?

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 22:16
by SectorOne
CoG and minimum weight is regulated is it not? And if it´s as conservative as with the V8 no team will have any problems whatsoever to hit those targets.

As i mentioned in the Renault V8 thread. The minimum weight of the V8 is 95kg. BMW said they could easily hit 69kg´s.
Shows how conservative the FIA are with that.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 22:17
by xpensive
GitanesBlondes wrote: ...
Maybe this is why Ross left MGP though? Mario Illien told Zetsche there is no way he is bailing them out of their engine predicament unless Ross is out the door?
Either that or; "You are welcome to join the diet Ross, but that deep-fried mozzarella has to go?"

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 22:30
by GitanesBlondes
xpensive wrote:
GitanesBlondes wrote: ...
Maybe this is why Ross left MGP though? Mario Illien told Zetsche there is no way he is bailing them out of their engine predicament unless Ross is out the door?
Either that or; "You are welcome to join the diet Ross, but that deep-fried mozzarella has to go?"
He probably gave Zetsche his patented vacant stare and walked out of Brackley to go count his millions from The Great Mercedes F1 Robbery of 2010?

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 22:40
by xpensive
In all honesty GB, that one was not called for, richard has given us this sanctuary of a thread, let's no abuse it?

"From now on, we will all feed from this low-fat Emmentaler fondue bowl, recipe is from my mom actually"

"That's it, I'm out!"

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 23:07
by timbo
xpensive wrote:
SectorOne wrote:
xpensive wrote:We'll see who is going to look stooopid in three months time, when Hamilton calls the W05 a truck... :lol:
Saving this one :mrgreen:
Care to take a bet?
You haven't run out of balaclavas?

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 23:12
by xpensive
Baclavas, baclavas!!!