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Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 24 Jan 2014, 21:54
by skoop

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 25 Jan 2014, 02:05
by ringo
I find that the turbine shield is not fully protective anyway. What if debris goes through the tail pipe?
There's no way to protect from a failure like that.
The turbines should have been mandated to be located nearer to the floor of the car, and not in a following driver's line of vision. The driver may have to wear a shrapnel proof helmet now.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 25 Jan 2014, 07:52
by exchaser
Hrmm true.. Can't say I'd like to cop a broken turbine wheel in the face following another car that happens to have a failure. Maybe the exhaust should exit to the side of the car..

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 25 Jan 2014, 10:48
by wuzak
If debris goes through the tail pipe it won't have much energy because the pieces will have had to have changed direction.

The major pieces of a failed rotating turbine will tend to fly off tangentially - into any shields.

If pieces come out the tail pipe the drivers will have the same issue Massa had in Hungary in 2009.

Re: 2014 Testing - Bahrain 27 Feb - 2 Mar

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 12:09
by el-Magico
Rumours that Renault has +/- 165bhp less than the Mercedes..
Source

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 16:05
by dren
I heard it was closer to 167hp.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 16:10
by Blanchimont
+165 less = 165 less
-165 less = 165 more

I would go for the second interpretation... #-o

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 16:19
by Harsha
With the loss of 165 BHP how much lap time RBR may loose

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 16:25
by Blanchimont
2,46s according to my calculations.

BTW, is it a coincidence that my forum rating of 165 is exactly the same as the difference between the Renault and the Mercedes engine? :? :o

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 16:31
by CBeck113
Blanchimont wrote:2,46s according to my calculations.

BTW, is it a coincidence that my forum rating of 165 is exactly the same as the difference between the Renault and the Mercedes engine? :? :o
It's your fault! Or you've just explained the difference between correlation and causation :D

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 16:51
by Juzh
Blanchimont wrote:2,46s according to my calculations.
How did you come to this number? Just curious.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 17:09
by dren
Blanchimont wrote:2,46s according to my calculations.

BTW, is it a coincidence that my forum rating of 165 is exactly the same as the difference between the Renault and the Mercedes engine? :? :o
Some how, some way, it boils down to ancient aliens having an impact on power discrepancies.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 17:40
by Blanchimont
Juzh wrote:
Blanchimont wrote:2,46s according to my calculations.
How did you come to this number? Just curious.
This is the result of an extremely complicated calculation i did on my 1000 core supercomputer. In the end i was able to reduce the multiple input variables of the model to

time loss (165hp) = 1:35,743 min - 1:33,283 min = 2,46s

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 18:14
by Abarth
This is extremely interesting!

With my 80386 computer from 1988, which calculation power was regarded as a supercomputer in the early eighties, I came to a result of 2.53s!!!
However, as the computer clculates a bit slower than yours, my laptimes are 1.46.120 and 1.49.050.

Re: 2014 Engine yin yang

Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 21:41
by Juzh
Well if 80bhp for 6.7s from KERS was worth 0,3-0,4s, then 160 bhp for 33s is worth aprox 10 times more is it not? so somewhere in the 3-4s area.