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hurril wrote:

hemichromis wrote:IS there any confirmation that we have a Mercedes style turbo here?

Hasegawa says the turbocharger has been lowered, if the compressor was still in the Vee that would mean that it would need to shrink. For 2016 season they made the turbo bigger but had to raise it to achieve that.

Where did he say this? Also - what do you imply when you talk about a mercedes style turbo? The Honda PU does have the MGU-h between the turbine and the compressor.

Interview in 'f1sokuho' magazine.
translated my Muramasa:

'We've progressed that area a lot. About that particular/specific point/area, we can say so with confidence. Overall weight of engine, center of gravity, and so on, we've made big improvement. To put it short/plain, we lowered the position of turbocharger.'

While we wait.. Listen to music.

According to autosport at the end of 2016 Honda was 60KW behind Mercedes.

GoranF1 wrote:According to autosport at the end of 2016 Honda was 60KW behind Mercedes.

link?

ncassi22 wrote:

GoranF1 wrote:According to autosport at the end of 2016 Honda was 60KW behind Mercedes.

link?

Autosport +

Isn't that what Alonso said ?

It is totally consistent with in-car audio fft comparison, which indicated the same sort of gap to Merc at the end of the 2016 season.

So that air tube could either be cooling for the ERS sitting way out back, or it's inlet air for a compressor moved out of the V to sit in the back.

Can one of the technical guys draw some nice arrows on that picture and tell the rest of us what is happening in that photo?

Thank you !

Lucky wrote:http://i.imgur.com/TixXYM3.jpg

can see mercedes features straight away

haza wrote:

Lucky wrote:http://i.imgur.com/TixXYM3.jpg

can see mercedes features straight away

Care to share what you spot?

Looks more like a Merc style intake manifold plenum. Can't really tell from the pics, is that the main engine intake going to the rear of the P/U or is that an auxiliary tube feeding some sort of cooler & there is a short Merc style intake feed tube/box?

Edit: It does sort of look like on the lower intake (below the main intake), the ducting comes from the opening & then heads up, possibly joining the main pipe going to the rear of the P/U? (hard to tell/not shown in the pic).

Lucky wrote:http://i.imgur.com/TixXYM3.jpg

The first time we saw the Honda engine, everyone was like, where's the turbo? This one is so evolved that now people ask, where's the engine? Simply amazing, I can't wait until they unlock the power of this engine, I know they ran it de-tuned today, this is the trial and error part, completely expected, even experienced engine builders run into setbacks. Especially when venturing into the unknown, then it's almost assured.

These engines are very much like an orchestra, many different mechanism are playing the exhaust tune. Right now this is a tuning session, where all the instruments are tuned for the proper harmony. You'll see people making odd noises, maybe break a few strings, but all are capable musicians, and once the instruments are tuned and show starts, the music will be good. The music directors have found a good sound, now they just need to make sure all the instruments are in good shape and well tuned for their symphony.