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mrluke wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2017, 14:06

According to the latest information, in 2017 machines where the engine full opening rate and air resistance increased, the power has a 0.2 second / 10 kW (about 13.4 horsepower) impact on lap time. Even if the Honda's power unit is 100 horsepower inferior to Mercedes AMG (although there is not much difference in reality), the lap time is only 1.49 seconds difference. The difference of 2.2 seconds from the Bartheli / Buttas of the top in Q2 is found to be due to the inferior performance of both the car body and the power unit being inferior.

I interpret this as saying that even if there was a 100hp difference that would only equate to 1.49 seconds although in reality the difference is less than 100hp.

And further, I cant see why they are comparing to a Q2 time, the reference should be to pole.

Pole 1:22.188
ALO 1:25.452

Difference 3.3s of which no more than 1.5s is due to PU, leaving at least 1.8s from car.

GoranF1 wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2017, 18:30

mrluke wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2017, 14:06

According to the latest information, in 2017 machines where the engine full opening rate and air resistance increased, the power has a 0.2 second / 10 kW (about 13.4 horsepower) impact on lap time. Even if the Honda's power unit is 100 horsepower inferior to Mercedes AMG (although there is not much difference in reality), the lap time is only 1.49 seconds difference. The difference of 2.2 seconds from the Bartheli / Buttas of the top in Q2 is found to be due to the inferior performance of both the car body and the power unit being inferior.

I interpret this as saying that even if there was a 100hp difference that would only equate to 1.49 seconds although in reality the difference is less than 100hp.

And further, I cant see why they are comparing to a Q2 time, the reference should be to pole.

Pole 1:22.188
ALO 1:25.452

Difference 3.3s of which no more than 1.5s is due to PU, leaving at least 1.8s from car.

Unless Honda is 200hp down which wouldnt surprise me at all....

PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2017, 23:42

Alonso is Bando in Japanese? lol interesting.

ziggy wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2017, 19:38

We all thought till now, that honda didn't use a mule car. But what if Mclaren is being used by Honda as a test mule? Apparently Honda developed a car in secret since 2009, even developed a hot blown diffuser, just to have the tech. Maybe thats why Mclaren demanded exclusive supply for the PU.

"With Honda about to open its new UK racing facility in Milton Keynes (below) it is hard to imagine that the engineers in Tochigi (themselves with a new facility) will not want to get involved in developing the whole car again and not just the power unit. How well this will be received at McLaren is another question"

Honda’s mystery F1 car
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... evealed/4/

Although the article is from 2014, I can assure its still opening many questions and also gives some answers. Enjoy reading

EDIT: I hope its the right thread here, otherwise please move the post...

shady wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2017, 18:46

Ok, fair enough.

Then if you would kindly explain how reliability upgrades worked during the token era, and how they then didnt count against the PU allotment.

mattia.bobbo wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2017, 01:08

ziggy wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2017, 19:38

We all thought till now, that honda didn't use a mule car. But what if Mclaren is being used by Honda as a test mule? Apparently Honda developed a car in secret since 2009, even developed a hot blown diffuser, just to have the tech. Maybe thats why Mclaren demanded exclusive supply for the PU.

"With Honda about to open its new UK racing facility in Milton Keynes (below) it is hard to imagine that the engineers in Tochigi (themselves with a new facility) will not want to get involved in developing the whole car again and not just the power unit. How well this will be received at McLaren is another question"

Honda’s mystery F1 car
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... evealed/4/

Although the article is from 2014, I can assure its still opening many questions and also gives some answers. Enjoy reading

EDIT: I hope its the right thread here, otherwise please move the post...

Hey, stop dreaming before writing comments..

Honda can't make a half decent engine, and they are thinking of making a whole car themselves? Doesn't make any sense.

Engineers in tochigi hasn't been able to make a decent engine in 3 years, what makes you think their car will be better? The hot air diffuser story is not related with the rest.