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Posted: 27 May 2006, 12:34
by m3_lover

Posted: 27 May 2006, 15:40
by manchild
So that is how it flexes! Not just small wing on top but whole rear wing segment changes angle by rotataing backwards! That is why nothing can be seen on on-board footage or detected by stewards! Actual wing blades can be stiff as hell but their angle of attack changes and reduces the drag!

Posted: 27 May 2006, 17:14
by Tom
It looked like even the rear endplates were flexing on that shot. I don't think its just the top plane but instead the whole think moves a tiny bit which addds to a high overalll efffect.

It could just have been the vibrations from the curbs though, but I don't think so.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 17:19
by flynfrog
looks like a body bouncing over a curb to me

Posted: 27 May 2006, 17:41
by manchild
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Now their decision to opt for two pillars becomes more reasonable since they are there to act as "suspension" arms enabling this movemnet of rear wing under load. Single pillar wouldn't be able to prevent lateral twisting.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 18:00
by Tom
From that camera angle that seems the case MC but from the onboard it loooks more like just the top plane moving.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 18:07
by manchild
Tom wrote:...but from the onboard it loooks more like just the top plane moving.
That's because top plane crosses greater distance than the lower planne. I wonder if it flexes at all or perhaps whole wing is connected to gearbox via transversal axle and secured by spring that stretches under air pressure load and pulls back wing in neutral position on lower speeds. :?

Posted: 27 May 2006, 18:11
by Tom
Is there any way to find out. I'd actually really like to know how they acheived this and it seeems to be diffferent every day.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 21:35
by DaveKillens
You could use heat to change the flexing. Just place some material like polyethylene bushing between the wing support and transmission. Design it so that where the wing support connects to the transmission is like a hinge. When the FIA does it's inspection, the bushing is rigid, and flexes very little. Hang the weight, measure the deformation, viola, within specs. Then take the car on the track, especially after it has done a few warm up laps, and that bushing is now a lot hotter, and less rigid. The rear wing support now flexes a heck of a lot more, so much that it can be picked up by a camera at the side of the track.
And, plan "B" in case the car is called into the pits for inspection.. have a crew member run to the back to extinguish a "fire", with CO2. That bushing would be nice and cold within seconds......

Just one possible scenario......... :wink:

Posted: 27 May 2006, 22:48
by kilcoo316
I suggest some of you look at technical regulation 3.17:
3.17.3 Bodywork may deflect by no more than one degree horizontally when a load of 1000N is applied
simultaneously to its extremities in a rearward direction 780mm above the reference plane and 20mm
forward of the rear wheel centre line.


and


3.17.5 The uppermost aerofoil element lying behind the rear wheel centre line may deflect no more than 5mm
horizontally when a 500N load is applied horizontally. The load will be applied 800mm above the reference
plane at three separate points which lie on the car centre line and 250mm either side of it. The loads will be
applied in an rearward direction using a suitable 25mm wide adapter which must be supplied by the
relevant team.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 23:43
by manchild
Yes, but if flexing point is backwards beyond the imaginary vertical line where static load is applied wing wouldn't move at all no matter how hard you push it. It would move under air presure but be perfectly still under static load.

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Only if flexing point is infront that imaginary vertical line where static load is applied it would react on static load.
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*On these pics I persumed that static load is applied at the edge of upper wing (just for the sake of explanation trough pics)*

Posted: 28 May 2006, 00:55
by kilcoo316
No, thats incorrect as the load paths are still identical (well, apart from local loadings on the wing element itself).

Posted: 28 May 2006, 05:50
by DaveKillens
It appears that where and how the rear wing structure attaches to the transmission is what is important. The best picture I could get was this
http://www.f1racing.net/en/photolarge.p ... 74&catID=9
and in this one there are two vertical struts on the forward part of the wing and horizontal struts low down and to the rear of the endplates. Right now I can't find anything concrete to verify, nor can I disprove Manchild's theory.
I know it moves, the TV video shows rearward deflection. Just how it is done is still unknown.

Posted: 28 May 2006, 18:27
by RH1300S
What you have to imagine is that the lower element is fixed to the gearbox struts, but the upper element is fixed to the end-plates - which are fixed to the bodywork. The two pieces seem to be able to move independently of each other. Although the lower element appears to be attached to the end plates it wouldn't be too hard to arrange a join that allowed controlled movement.

Visualise the lower element stays still and as the upper part flexes back and down it not only closes the gap, but also reduces the angle of attack.