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Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 15:40
by wuzak
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 15:52
by hecan
wuzak wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:40
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
Men, give some credit to the car too. Alonso is a great driver, but the car has to be there too. Someone has the comparison of the speed traps? or a list of the max speeds? It would be nice to be able to compare them to know how much weight Honda has in this, and how much they have improved
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 15:59
by SameSame
wuzak wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:40
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
I wonder if the Honda partnership would immediately be terminated if Stoffel was their fastest driver this year.
Based on his results McLaren would be nowhere, they really can't afford to lose Alonso next year.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:35
by 3jawchuck
hecan wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:52
wuzak wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:40
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
Men, give some credit to the car too. Alonso is a great driver, but the car has to be there too. Someone has the comparison of the speed traps? or a list of the max speeds? It would be nice to be able to compare them to know how much weight Honda has in this, and how much they have improved
Speed trap and sector speeds are available on the FIA website.
In the speed trap he is second from last, 4 kph faster than Vandoorne. Sector 1 he is near the bottom, S2 middle and S3 near bottom. Vandoorne is bottom in all 3.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:36
by HPD
Some data on the update, according to journal from Japan
http://f1sokuho.mopita.com/pc/free/index.php?
After that, Alonso ran 21 laps trouble-free, but the best time finished at the bottom. The reason was that there was not a problem with the PU, because it was just replacing the PU, tuning such as mapping etc had not been properly calibrated.
There was another reason why we had to face the second free practice without proper tuning. That is that the updated parts were loaded in this engine.
"I have changed the device that can be changed to the intake system without tampering with the engine itself."
It said that it improved the output, especially the power on the low rotation side. In addition to powering up, the problem of oscillation (resonance) which was troubled this year was also improved on the data, Vandoorne said "It was not a problem at all", it is said that it was able to shift up at the best timing.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:41
by Sonador
I think Button was very very underrated, he faired wel with/against Alonso.
Apart from Hamilton, nobody got as close to his performance then Button.
How they treated him (Button) in the last couple of seasons, is beyond words i think.
But i do think Vandoorne will get better if the car gets better.
Alonso alone is worth a 100 HP
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:41
by j.yank
wuzak wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:40
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
Without qually mode even Alonso can't do this. Honda is still not so powerful but at last probably they supply their max power for longer time per lap.
One question: if they work on higher RPM should this mean that they will supply more energy to the turbine, in this way canceling the negatives of higher efficiency to the available exhaust energy (what godlameroso talked about)? Of course, keeping the same efficiency at higher RPM - something that Wazary mentioned recently.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:42
by hecan
3jawchuck wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 16:35
hecan wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:52
wuzak wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:40
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
Men, give some credit to the car too. Alonso is a great driver, but the car has to be there too. Someone has the comparison of the speed traps? or a list of the max speeds? It would be nice to be able to compare them to know how much weight Honda has in this, and how much they have improved
Speed trap and sector speeds are available on the FIA website.
In the speed trap he is second from last, 4 kph faster than Vandoorne. Sector 1 he is near the bottom, S2 middle and S3 near bottom. Vandoorne is bottom in all 3.
Sorry, I'm new. Can you teach me how to get to the page with the speeds?
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:43
by Sonador
HPD wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 16:36
Some data on the update, according to journal from Japan
http://f1sokuho.mopita.com/pc/free/index.php?
After that, Alonso ran 21 laps trouble-free, but the best time finished at the bottom. The reason was that there was not a problem with the PU, because it was just replacing the PU, tuning such as mapping etc had not been properly calibrated.
There was another reason why we had to face the second free practice without proper tuning. That is that the updated parts were loaded in this engine.
"I have changed the device that can be changed to the intake system without tampering with the engine itself."
It said that it improved the output, especially the power on the low rotation side. In addition to powering up, the problem of oscillation (resonance) which was troubled this year was also improved on the data, Vandoorne said "It was not a problem at all", it is said that it was able to shift up at the best timing.
So that is quite good news, they have fixed the oscillation problems, now they need to get focussed on reliability and deployment i think? Other reports suggest that there is good power from the ICE.
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Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:51
by fellowhoodlums
Have we had any proper info on updates for Spain?
Reading here inlet update improving power delivery at low end, vibration not a problem.....is that all official?
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:53
by j.yank
wuzak wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:40
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
From FIA reports it seems that Alonso has been running with brand new ICE, TC, MGU-H and MGU-K. We can only guess what is the extension of the upgrades, but this could be explanation why Vandoorn is so far behind.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 16:56
by Sonador
j.yank wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 16:53
wuzak wrote: ↑13 May 2017, 15:40
Reality check - the other car, with a highly rated driver - qualified behind 2 Saubers.
Forget McLaren, forget Honda. This is mostly down to Alonso.
From FIA reports it seems that Alonso has been running with brand new ICE, TC, MGU-H and MGU-K. We can only guess what is the extension of the upgrades, but this could be explanation why Vandoorn is so far behind.
That engine blew up i tought? he is now running with the engine that did Australia i believe.
But with the upgraded parts?
To be honest all season Vandoorne is trailing Alonso by at least half a second.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 17:04
by etusch
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 19:19
by godlameroso
They're down 13kph from the fastest cars, so if they can gain half that it should equal an extra .15sec per straight.
Or nearly .4 per lap.
Re: Honda Power Unit
Posted: 13 May 2017, 19:29
by etusch
We still didn't see the race. But I assume a good race. After that comes monaco and then I hope updated PU with Canada. I hope things go well and better.