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Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 11 Oct 2010, 21:31
by 747heavy
Red Bull still legal amid latest flexing saga
Oct.11 (GMM) The Red Bull flexing wing saga reared its head yet again at Suzuka. The controversy had died down following the subsiding of the RB6's dominance at recent races,
and evidence that new FIA scrutineering tests had lessened the visible bending of the car's front wings. But at Suzuka, Red Bull's dominance returned, as did video and photos showing the front wings almost touching the track.
So a reporter for the German tabloid Bild am Sonntag ventured into the FIA test garages at the Japanese circuit to observe Joe Bauer checking over the Suzuka-spec RB6. The reporter witnessed the car lifted into the air on the test stand before 100 kilograms of weight - double the amount of the former tests - was applied to the front wing.
The RB6 passed the test, even though cynics suggest that at high-speed downforce loads, the Red Bull fails the letter of the rules. Bauer said: "For that (test), we'd have to build a wind tunnel at each track!" Indeed, if those downforce-like loads were simulated with mere scrutineering weights, the clever Red Bull wing design would likely break. The RB6 also passed the FIA's more stringent 300kg underbody test at Suzuka.
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 11 Oct 2010, 21:36
by Pup
strad wrote:
He's just sleeping.
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 11 Oct 2010, 21:59
by strad
nope...it's dead
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 11 Oct 2010, 22:20
by wesley123
I just saw the McL and RB comparasion pic and there was one thing i just noticed;
The Red Bull nose cone is incredibly low, it is way lower then when it isnt moving.
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 13 Oct 2010, 23:43
by Caito
An idea came to my mind. A Bimetallic be used to generate movement in a piece.
It doesn't have to be metallic but just a piece with two materials with different coefficient of thermal expansion. In this way, heat generated (exhaust, air friction from the brakes or wherever you like most) would make the part hotter and thus induce movement in the desired direction.
Any thoughts?
Bye bye
Caito.-
PS If a carbon fibre piece had a metal "rod" in its interior, with heat expansion it could be used to generate movement.
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 00:06
by wesley123
IMO that idea sounds really plausible. Certainly with the balast teams put in their front wing this makes it really plausible.
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 06:26
by xpensive
I read in News of the world that Uri Geller has been seen in the Red Bull pits at several races this year, most notably Suzuka.
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 07:26
by Donuts
What about Ferrari's front wing? Is it still flexing as much as before the FIA tests?
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 19:03
by forty-two
xpensive wrote:I read in News of the world that Uri Geller has been seen in the Red Bull pits at several races this year, most notably Suzuka.
Let me guess, he spent some time near SPOON corner?!?
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 19:05
by forty-two
Donuts wrote:What about Ferrari's front wing? Is it still flexing as much as before the FIA tests?
Good question!
I don't think the Ferrari was ever quite as flexible as the RB, but I didn't notice any particular shots which indicated it was running low. I shall have another look though.
I wonder if Darren Heath was there?
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 19:08
by forty-two
Caito wrote:An idea came to my mind. A Bimetallic be used to generate movement in a piece.
It doesn't have to be metallic but just a piece with two materials with different coefficient of thermal expansion. In this way, heat generated (exhaust, air friction from the brakes or wherever you like most) would make the part hotter and thus induce movement in the desired direction.
Any thoughts?
Bye bye
Caito.-
PS If a carbon fibre piece had a metal "rod" in its interior, with heat expansion it could be used to generate movement.
As was pointed out to me at the start of the season when I suggested some form of thermal device might be adjusting the ride height of the RB6, although you could argue that such a device was "passive" because it doesn't have a power source other than the temperature arriving at it, you could equally argue that any heat input to the system would be being "used", and that would make it active aero, which of course is banned.
You might well be right though!
I still think those shots showing the stiff cable poking out of Vettel's wing after his collision with Button have not be sufficiently answered.
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 19:29
by djones
Do you have a copy of the picture? (I cant find one)
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 15 Oct 2010, 12:02
by forty-two
djones wrote:Do you have a copy of the picture? (I cant find one)
Here you go:
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 15 Oct 2010, 17:53
by astracrazy
didn't they say (or claim if you want) that it was for the front wing adjuster?
Re: Flexible wings controversy 2010
Posted: 15 Oct 2010, 18:17
by forty-two
That depends upon who you mean by "they".
Ted Kravitz who was in the pitlane when Vettel came in for a new nose said that they'd had a problem during the pitstop with the FFA connector, and that meant that Seb would not have FFA for the rest of the race.
But AFAIK no official of RB, or other commentator has ever made a statement or explanation of what we're seeing here.
Some members on this forum have speculated that we're seeing teflon insulated electrical cables here, but I for one am still not convinced. There was a conversation about it quite a few pages back on this thread, but never any conclusive theory.
