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Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 00:14
by AJI
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 00:11
The same way they do in LMP - by using the front axle as well as the rear axle to harvest.
How big is this front K you propose and where is it (or are they) situated?
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 00:29
by MrPotatoHead
AJI wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 00:14
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 00:11
The same way they do in LMP - by using the front axle as well as the rear axle to harvest.
How big is this front K you propose and where is it (or are they) situated?
The Porsche 919 has a 300KW KERS motor on the front axle.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 01:05
by AJI
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 00:29
AJI wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 00:14
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 00:11
The same way they do in LMP - by using the front axle as well as the rear axle to harvest.
How big is this front K you propose and where is it (or are they) situated?
The Porsche 919 has a 300KW KERS motor on the front axle.
Sure, but where do you put that on an F1 car? The only way I can see it working is if there are 2 small K's mounted outboard of the monocoque.
AWD F1 would be interesting. Lose some aero and allow TC and the 'road relevance' box is ticked.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 01:11
by MrPotatoHead
Put it inboard like on the LMP1 cars.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 01:26
by AJI
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 01:11
Put it inboard like on the LMP1 cars.
Under the drivers feet with a tiny diff?
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 05:05
by FW17
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 15:32
by godlameroso
My thoughts as well, we can re-design the front end of the cars, have it look more like the X1.
I would be ok with covering the front wheels and simplifying the front bodywork, that alone would reduce the rear wake of the cars significantly.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 20:05
by NL_Fer
Exhaust heat generator
Front wheel hub generators
Or saving several laps on braking and release all in overtake.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 20:14
by MrPotatoHead
Just like that.
Inboard is far superior to any hub mounted device - no one would want that much Unsprung mass.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 23:45
by AJI
While I love the idea of AWD F1, 'tis but a pipe dream. An NA v12 is more likely, and that ain't gonna happen either...
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 26 Apr 2018, 00:41
by roon
AJI wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 01:26
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 01:11
Put it inboard like on the LMP1 cars.
Under the drivers feet with a tiny diff?
Or...
roon wrote: ↑17 Oct 2017, 01:14
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 26 Apr 2018, 02:01
by AJI
roon wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 00:41
AJI wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 01:26
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 01:11
Put it inboard like on the LMP1 cars.
Under the drivers feet with a tiny diff?
Or...
That's pretty much what I was thinking. I'm not quite as talented as drawing as you though. All my sketches look like the Homer car...
The other option is to lose the diff altogether and mount two small K's where you've put the diff. Torque vectoring and all that jazz.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 26 Apr 2018, 03:11
by Maritimer
The front motor from a modern P1 hybrids would just about fit into the nose of an F1 car, just widen thr bulkhead a few inches at most
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 26 Apr 2018, 03:19
by wuzak
roon wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 00:41
AJI wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 01:26
MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 01:11
Put it inboard like on the LMP1 cars.
Under the drivers feet with a tiny diff?
Or...
Awesome drawing Roon.
Re: 2021 Engine thread
Posted: 26 Apr 2018, 03:21
by wuzak
Maritimer wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 03:11
The front motor from a modern P1 hybrids would just about fit into the nose of an F1 car, just widen thr bulkhead a few inches at most
The Audi one shown above looks like it would fit. The problem is what to do with the suspension - where do the torsion bars go, for example.
Regarding all-wheel KERS, it would work best if they had a standard KERS system, front and rear. Then they wouldn't have to limit the energy that could be recovered.
