I'm not sure anyone is calling the sacking of the technical director a crisis.WhiteBlue wrote:Where are the moderators when we need them? Clearly sacking the technical director cannot be called a crisis. Nothing is wrong at Ferrrari and they are surely going to win the 2011 WCC and WDC, or so I was told when I pointed to the problem months ago.
I agree, but I find some reasons valid, some not. The dream team that was integral to Schumacher's run of domination was as good as they get. Their strategy and execution was almost always immaculate, let's face it, they set the benchmark.ESPImperium wrote:Im jusn not sure how the "spagetthi" culture is working in modren F1 for them, without the "dream team" incharge i think they are being shown to be wanting in many respects since 2007/2008.
Newey said he wanted to stay in England with his family. Maybe Ferrari could do what they did with John Barnard and offer to build for Newey a design office in England.Jimi_Hendrix_1967 wrote:Not a knee jerk reaction, but one that was long overdue. And hopefully not the only change.
I never liked Domenicali's cold and slow reaction to current events. The team needs a passionate leader with clear vision that bangs his fist on the table every now and then. They also failed to lure Newey away last year and instead saw him renew his rerbull contract. Then tgere was the abudahbi fiasco where all Ferrari had to do, is follow the leading cars strategy.
Rumour goes a new designer is poached from neweys staff. Hope thatl work. I also hope ldm will force fia to stop the rra and let teams decide themselves how much to invest.
Whatever the outcome, Ferrari is in deep trouble. No design team for 2012 and the current car very problematic and way behind red bull.
They've been there, done that -- and it did NOT work. Is Gustav Brunner still kicking around?rfs wrote:Newey said he wanted to stay in England with his family. Maybe Ferrari could do what they did with John Barnard and offer to build for Newey a design office in England.Jimi_Hendrix_1967 wrote:Not a knee jerk reaction, but one that was long overdue. And hopefully not the only change.
I never liked Domenicali's cold and slow reaction to current events. The team needs a passionate leader with clear vision that bangs his fist on the table every now and then. They also failed to lure Newey away last year and instead saw him renew his rerbull contract. Then tgere was the abudahbi fiasco where all Ferrari had to do, is follow the leading cars strategy.
Rumour goes a new designer is poached from neweys staff. Hope thatl work. I also hope ldm will force fia to stop the rra and let teams decide themselves how much to invest.
Whatever the outcome, Ferrari is in deep trouble. No design team for 2012 and the current car very problematic and way behind red bull.
Come now Don, have you already forgotten the gorgeous as well as groundbreaking 640 of 1989, it was designed at Guildford?donskar wrote: ...
They've been there, done that -- and it did NOT work. Is Gustav Brunner still kicking around?
Having worked in a scenario where we had people on the end of video conferences/the internet, let me tell you, it's very hard to get right. There's a lot to be gained from casual chats round the coffee machine in terms of keeping everyone appraised of what's going on. Keeping people at the end of skype feeling in the loop is difficult, and usually ends up with someone feeling snubbed/alienated.Jimi_Hendrix_1967 wrote:I also think, with todays technology, video conferences, internet, Ferrari could well have a designer working in England.
As I recall, Ferrari spent tons of $ on Guildford and ended up selling (giving?) it to Barnard cheaply. Yes, the 640 (and it's "children") was a gorgeous and groundbreaking car. But I also recall that Barnard had little interest in developing a design. It was said at that time that Barnard turned over the design and went back to the drawing board to work on the next car. Brunner supposedly played a very important role in turning the basic car into a winner. Seems Barnard was the "blue sky" guy and Brunner was the guy who did the essential grunt work. That was one of several problems Ferrari had working with the tempermental English genius. But wait . . Are we allowed to speak of F1 matters that took place more than 10 years ago?xpensive wrote:Come now Don, have you already forgotten the gorgeous as well as groundbreaking 640 of 1989, it was designed at Guildford?donskar wrote: ...
They've been there, done that -- and it did NOT work. Is Gustav Brunner still kicking around?
Brunner never did much good anyway, did he? They should ask Mike Gascoyne, he's got the proper attitude for Maranello!
IIRC corectly Nichols came in after Barnard, replaced Brunner, and fell victim to Ferrari politics. There were some VERY dark days in the early 90's. (Nichols went on to embarrass himself at Jaguar.)xpensive wrote:Actually, I think Steve Nichols did a lot of development work on the 640 and 641 in the absence of Barnard.
But in all honesty, setting up a design-office in England is not what Ferrari needs, but I'm sure Mike Gascoyne can be talked into relocating to Italy, when I think he's fed up with this Lotus-Lotus mess, imagine that?
Or Pat Symonds perhaps?