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in recent times F1 tyres have been developed using cars from previous years , not altogether satisfactory but the best that was available
but what will happen next year ? the characteristics of the cars will be very different , and no old models available

on top of that pre season testing is done in totally unrepresentative conditions as pirelli have found out [ and those of us who go will confirm ]

irrespective of who next years supplier is , how big a problem is this going to be ? the product that is perfect straight off the drawing board has yet to be invented !

The best way to go for next year is going conservative. Hard rubber with light degredation. Teams are already facing huge unknowns next year. Bringing high degrading tyres into the game is too much.

The fia also shouldn't wait any longer with deciding about it.

They need to be conservative next year, thanks to this year. I think (HOPE!) that the tires are more durable, so the engineers can learn from the new cars they've created. Since they should be slower, the tires should be stickier, to make up for the lost power by allowing higher speeds in the corners.
I'm just not sure that anyone will go at this with common sense, but I do hope so.

lebesset wrote:in recent times F1 tyres have been developed using cars from previous years , not altogether satisfactory but the best that was available
but what will happen next year ? the characteristics of the cars will be very different , and no old models available

on top of that pre season testing is done in totally unrepresentative conditions as pirelli have found out [ and those of us who go will confirm ]

irrespective of who next years supplier is , how big a problem is this going to be ? the product that is perfect straight off the drawing board has yet to be invented !

Same challenge that has been faced in racing (both F1 and other series) for many years...

Jersey Tom wrote:

lebesset wrote:in recent times F1 tyres have been developed using cars from previous years , not altogether satisfactory but the best that was available
but what will happen next year ? the characteristics of the cars will be very different , and no old models available

on top of that pre season testing is done in totally unrepresentative conditions as pirelli have found out [ and those of us who go will confirm ]

irrespective of who next years supplier is , how big a problem is this going to be ? the product that is perfect straight off the drawing board has yet to be invented !

Same challenge that has been faced in racing (both F1 and other series) for many years...

In today's statement Pirelli cites preseason testing restrictions as a cause of their problems. Both lack of track time in current spec cars and the inability to test in warmer weather that better reflect race conditions.

There should be no tyre development after Korea this year. The 2014 tyre range should be the same that is existing in Japan this year whatever it is. Until such time Pirelli should have the opportunity to tweak the 2013 tyres to suit 2014. The teams have enough on the plate for 2014 without any tyre changes.

WhiteBlue wrote:There should be no tyre development after Korea this year. The 2014 tyre range should be the same that is existing in Japan this year whatever it is. Until such time Pirelli should have the opportunity to tweak the 2013 tyres to suit 2014. The teams have enough on the plate for 2014 without any tyre changes.

not possible ; to begin with the torque characteristic of the engine will be totally different ; I imagine that different tyre sizes will be required

As said, there is going to be so much for teams to adapt to, a conservative tyre is imperative.

VIZSLA wrote:In today's statement Pirelli cites preseason testing restrictions as a cause of their problems. Both lack of track time in current spec cars and the inability to test in warmer weather that better reflect race conditions.

That is interesting. Like I say, I feel like that's no different than Bridgestone, Michelin, or Goodyear had to contend with every year in F1.. or NASCAR going to a new car spec this year... Indycar got an all new chassis recently as well...

lebesset wrote:

WhiteBlue wrote:There should be no tyre development after Korea this year. The 2014 tyre range should be the same that is existing in Japan this year whatever it is. Until such time Pirelli should have the opportunity to tweak the 2013 tyres to suit 2014. The teams have enough on the plate for 2014 without any tyre changes.

not possible ; to begin with the torque characteristic of the engine will be totally different ; I imagine that different tyre sizes will be required

I don't see why they can't develop a suitable tyre in the next five months that will deal with a bit more engine torque. In the end they already have very high torque requirements while braking. So I would challenge the above statement simply on that ground.

WhiteBlue wrote:

lebesset wrote:

WhiteBlue wrote:There should be no tyre development after Korea this year. The 2014 tyre range should be the same that is existing in Japan this year whatever it is. Until such time Pirelli should have the opportunity to tweak the 2013 tyres to suit 2014. The teams have enough on the plate for 2014 without any tyre changes.

not possible ; to begin with the torque characteristic of the engine will be totally different ; I imagine that different tyre sizes will be required

I don't see why they can't develop a suitable tyre in the next five months that will deal with a bit more engine torque. In the end they already have very high torque requirements while braking. So I would challenge the above statement simply on that ground.

Who?
There's no assurance that Pirelli will be back.

Who?
There's no assurance that Pirelli will be back.

And who would wanna take over and take the beating from half of the F1 world like Pirelli has just taken?

Huntresa wrote:

Who?
There's no assurance that Pirelli will be back.

And who would wanna take over and take the beating from half of the F1 world like Pirelli has just taken?

Because they made bad tires this year. So the beating is fair enough.

Bridgestone also got som critisism but that was because they were almost too good. Even if you ran on softs you could finish a race on them.

Huntresa wrote:

Who?
There's no assurance that Pirelli will be back.

And who would wanna take over and take the beating from half of the F1 world like Pirelli has just taken?

I don't see it as so much that... more that it's probably prohibitively expensive. Companies more have to ask if it's worth the time and money spent. Bridgestone/Firestone was over it and left, even with what I thought was pretty good PR and exposure. Michelin wanted nothing to do with it unless it meant not having to go back to 13" build machines. Didn't hear anything from Goodyear/Dunlop of having any serious interest in a bid. I feel like none of them were interested in the cost of going all in on it.

Huntresa wrote:

Who?
There's no assurance that Pirelli will be back.

And who would wanna take over and take the beating from half of the F1 world like Pirelli has just taken?

That is the sixty four dollar question.

Best outcome would be opening it up to multiple suppliers and end the artificial performance parameters.