Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 05:24
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Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 09:23
Thank you thank you for posting something awesome like this finish that I would have missed! Did you notice that while watching that it did not matter that they were the "lights" or not F1 or not having 1000hp etc etc. It was just good close racing and, in my opinion, good brave driving. Oh how I wish we could get away from the massive influence of aero in F1 (even though it is my favourite thing to read about). It just does not make for good racing.
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 10:01
Fun fact: In oval racing with an average laptime at Indy of 300km/h, aero is much much more important than in F1.garygph wrote:Oh how I wish we could get away from the massive influence of aero in F1 (even though it is my favourite thing to read about). It just does not make for good racing.
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 11:18
repostedTim.Wright wrote: Fun fact: In oval racing with an average laptime at Indy of 300km/h, aero is much much more important than in F1.
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 12:09
There is a discussion to be had about that statement I thinkTim.Wright wrote:Fun fact: In oval racing with an average laptime at Indy of 300km/h, aero is much much more important than in F1.garygph wrote:Oh how I wish we could get away from the massive influence of aero in F1 (even though it is my favourite thing to read about). It just does not make for good racing.
, your aero requirements on the average oval is very very different to a twisty circuit, but on both aero is massively important to win!However I was not comparing aero importance but how much of a negative impact it has had on close racing in F1.
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 12:26
In that video I see aero actually deciding the race. Do you mean downforce in particular by any chance?
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 12:40
You are right I was alluding to that. My mistake for not being more precise with my wording. It just seemed to be such a well discussed fact on this forum that I did not need to be. Lesson learnedhollus wrote:In that video I see aero actually deciding the race. Do you mean downforce in particular by any chance?
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 13:05
Tommy Cookers wrote:this seems the time to ask my perennial question ......Tim.Wright wrote: Fun fact: In oval racing with an average laptime at Indy of 300km/h, aero is much much more important than in F1.
do drivers brake for the turns at the Indianapolis motor speedway, or just throttle back ??
if there's no braking now, was there in pre-aero times ??
(the track was designed for zero lateral g at 90 mph, banking angle 9' 42")
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 13:30
I found this about about brakes in the "500" pre-aero.
http://www.techshopmag.com/Article/1001 ... rakes.aspx
And don't forget today it's the time of the greatest spectacle in motorsport...
Happy motoring !
http://www.techshopmag.com/Article/1001 ... rakes.aspx
And don't forget today it's the time of the greatest spectacle in motorsport...
Happy motoring !
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 19:17
many thanks for that !
also liked your footage a while ago (especially Freddie Agabashian in the Cummins diesel)
also liked your footage a while ago (especially Freddie Agabashian in the Cummins diesel)
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 26 May 2013, 20:08
You may also enjoy this... The Firestone Roadster Tires.
http://indyroadsters.webs.com/apps/blog/show/1952433
Tires without stagger...
http://indyroadsters.webs.com/apps/blog/show/1952433
Tires without stagger...
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 27 May 2013, 04:13
At one point, ABC was on-board with the race leader, showing the (phony?) telemetry and discussing it. He was 100% throttle, 0% brake, and penultimate gear through every turn. The commentator noted the flat-outness and said something to the effect of that's how it's supposed to work when you have the car dialed-in correctly/luckily.Tommy Cookers wrote:Tommy Cookers wrote:this seems the time to ask my perennial question ......Tim.Wright wrote: Fun fact: In oval racing with an average laptime at Indy of 300km/h, aero is much much more important than in F1.
do drivers brake for the turns at the Indianapolis motor speedway, or just throttle back ??
if there's no braking now, was there in pre-aero times ??
(the track was designed for zero lateral g at 90 mph, banking angle 9' 42")
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 27 May 2013, 06:43
Yes, those oval race cars are designed to turn around the oval. The cars have larger wheels on the outer side. as a result, it will not go straight.
Regarding the winner of the video clip, he was the last guy to come out of the slip stream. That patient planning gave him the win.
Reminds me of those sprinters in Tour De France cycling. The ones who come out from slipstream last has the best chance of winning.
Regarding the winner of the video clip, he was the last guy to come out of the slip stream. That patient planning gave him the win.
Reminds me of those sprinters in Tour De France cycling. The ones who come out from slipstream last has the best chance of winning.
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 27 May 2013, 09:55
It was a good finish..but the 500 seems to be a shadow of it's former self.
*awaits flaming* but it seems to be of such a dumbed down level that even driver skills make smaller gains than they should. It is totally machine limited.
Saying that, great skills shown and respect too. Be good when they get serious with Indycars again..
*awaits flaming* but it seems to be of such a dumbed down level that even driver skills make smaller gains than they should. It is totally machine limited.
Saying that, great skills shown and respect too. Be good when they get serious with Indycars again..
Re: Indy finish
Posted: 27 May 2013, 10:43
Curiously I have exactly the same feeling for F-1, it's only a very pale shadow of its former glory.It was a good finish..but the 500 seems to be a shadow of it's former self.
No flaming, but I prefer to watch a racing serie that is totally machine limited than a one that is tire limited...*awaits flaming* but it seems to be of such a dumbed down level that even driver skills make smaller gains than they should. It is totally machine limited.