Mercedes AMG F1 W05

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Blackout wrote:They feed one of the radiators placed at the back above the Turbo... probably the gear box or the hydraulics radiator...
The rad alone: http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Mer ... 769432.jpg
and the channels: http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Mer ... 769298.jpg
Efficient response, images are clear (with the pipes and radiator is missing in one of the 2). Thanks a lot.
So when turning, you have a loss upt to 50% of cold air, but surely each intakes is big enough to cool the device.

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So much rubber on the bargeboard, was this as bad on the other cars?
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Everyone runs in the clag after the race to clean up the track a bit while cooling down. That's what all the rubber marks on the barge boards are from.

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Ferraripilot wrote:Everyone runs in the clag after the race to clean up the track a bit while cooling down. That's what all the rubber marks on the barge boards are from.
It's actually to add weight to the car to make sure they pass the weighbridge tests.

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Ferraripilot wrote:Everyone runs in the clag after the race to clean up the track a bit while cooling down. That's what all the rubber marks on the barge boards are from.
I forgot to look earlier in the race but I did notice he had rubber marks on his barge board two laps from the end on the left side, while the right one was almost completely clean.
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I cleaned the car thread. I split the vibration discussion into a new topic: :arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =6&t=19059 and move a post to the team thread.

For now I'll keep the discussion about the marbles on the bargeboards. Depending on how it evolves I'll decide later on what to do with it.

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gray41 wrote:http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 86x590.jpg

So much rubber on the bargeboard, was this as bad on the other cars?
Notice the difference in the profile of the noses in the Mercedes and Ferrari. Ferrari much flatter and tries to force more air around the side of the nose similar to a splitter, although possibly not effective (CFD numbers needed to compare). Merc have the best solution incorporating the impact structure in the nose in order to make the car more stable in yaw compared to the previous nose, as well as allowing more air under the nose to be fed to the splitter etc. Fantastic engineering. Wouldn't be surprised if other teams follow suit if they can or the philosophy of their car is based around the nose (ahem Lotus).

The added ears on airbox look like they are for cooling looking at other images with the engine cover off in the garage. Do the ears provide that much benefit compared to no ears, or would it be better to open up cooling underneath the airbox in the undercut of the airbox a-la Mclaren of the past few years and Red Bull last year?
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We're going to try to keep generalized "update" comments and questions out of the car hardware threads. For now, I've moved the latest of these to the Team thread and deleted some others. Such future general update comments and questions posted in the car threads will just be deleted. The same holds true for hypothetical part updates. When they are actual parts on the car, they can be discussed here. We all know there is a continuing update of F1 cars, so vaguely hypothesizing about it here doesn't add anything.

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I've moved the fascinating and informative intercooler posts into the dedicated 2014 Intercooler thread. No disrespect intended.

:arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 94#p507394

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Common people, of all places why did you decide to question our policy right in the W05 thread? Unless our mind are telekinetically attached to cfd and windtunnel models of the w05 car, this just doesn't belong here. And you guys as why we moderate too much, well you created your own answer.

I'm moving this to an appropiate thread. Of course some will again take this as over moderating and that we try to kill off the discussion. Perhaps you should ask yourself first if this thread is some sort of aerodynamic complain box.

Edit: I moved the discussion to here: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =7&t=16214 . For the record, I not only advice to quit the discussion here, as such posts will be from now removed, but more importantly CONTINUE the discussion in the ABOVE MENTIONED THREAD. Because we do listen, as long as you take the small bit of effort needed to post in the correct topic.
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Pretty decent article about the Mercedes advantage according to Piola and The Judge confirmed by Lowe I think:

http://thejudge13.com/

Paddy Lowe met up with Giorgio Piola before the Chinese Grand Prix and congratulated him on his discovery of one the secrets that has provided Mercedes with a dominant car.

“Giorgio, you have uncovered one of our secrets but I’d like you to see the car at the end of the season so you can appreciate the other innovations we have designed which deserve as much credit for the car’s performance.”

Last year, Ross Brawn had spoken before his departure that the initial design route for the Mercedes W05 was too conservative and a decision was made after the summer break to chase very specific design goals with the new car.

As has been reported in recent weeks, the turbo and a smaller compressor are located at either end of the engine with the MGU-H mounted in the middle and connected by a shaft. The compressor is situated nearest the bulkhead whilst the turbo is located close to the gearbox. This design route was chosen because in its original spec – the hot air was heating the air coming through the air intake that was feeding the engine.

The heat exchanger for the engine has also been housed within the chassis with cooling ducts designed into the chassis. The Mercedes team also chose to use a very short exhaust which loses about 15bhp from the optimum; but the team felt the benefits of more efficient cooling allied to a less aerodynamic compromise out-weighed the loss of this power.

Aldo Costa and his team have thus been able to reduce the frontal area of the car and the placement of the relevant parts have allowed the team to reduce their dependency on longer cables, wires and pipework, which in turn has brought the car closer to the 692kg weight limit.

Mercedes have also chosen to run a larger turbo than the opposition and its reduction of turbo lag means less power needs to be harvested from the ERS to keep the turbine spooled off throttle. The surplus energy is transferred to MGU-K which delivers instant energy to the power train whilst increasing economy.

The significance of this design is that although the MGU-K is limited to recovering only 2MJ from the braking system, the MGU-H is unlimited and the Mercedes can therefore recover all it’s power levels in the regulated 36 seconds per lap that would require the other teams 50 seconds to achieve. In essence Mercedes do not have to waste a lap replenishing the full amount of electrical charge as their competition currently has to.

Ferrari and Renault are aware of this ‘secret’ installation but due to the FIA’s homologation freeze of February 28th, they are powerless to do anything this year. In a year of massive change, with limited testing both before and during the season and with the biggest change in technology in a generation, it would have made more sense to allow the manufacturers a twelve month period to get their technology up to requirements.

There are arguments for and against testing but in a similar manner to last year’s disgraceful witch-hunt of Pirelli, something has to change. Why would any company want to get involved in F1 when the supposed benefit to road car development is hampered by restrictive rules that do not allow progress.
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https://vine.co/v/M1ntHmEDtBj

¿any idea of what that green light is?

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Yeah good job Piola with the discovery of the water to air intercooler #-o . That quote is from The Judge though...
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Trocola wrote:https://vine.co/v/M1ntHmEDtBj

¿any idea of what that green light is?
Never seen it before. Maybe an indicator when he's about to lock up?
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Trocola wrote:https://vine.co/v/M1ntHmEDtBj

¿any idea of what that green light is?
Could be a reflection from the roll hoop light.