Red Bull RB10 Renault

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by lio007 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:08 pm

Cascadeless FW for Monza;

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by gandharva » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:38 pm

At least the upper flap of the rearwing is present. ^^

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by dmjunqueira » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:59 pm

This car looks really beautiful w/ these new wings!!!

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by zioture » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:17 pm

In Monza GP Redbull use a flat nose
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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by stefan_ » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:30 pm

Italy 2014 - Friday (05.09.2014)

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by rscsr » Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:28 am

Since when are they using disc springs on the Front heave element?
And interestingly it seems to be a progressive one. I thought that they would use a degressive spring assembly .
http://i.imgur.com/RlmFCTk.jpg

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by Jano11 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:30 pm

rscsr wrote:Since when are they using disc springs on the Front heave element?
And interestingly it seems to be a progressive one. I thought that they would use a degressive spring assembly .
http://i.imgur.com/RlmFCTk.jpg
Disc springs have a smaller size for the same loads.
Not sure though what you mean about the degressive vs progressive assembly.

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by rscsr » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:20 pm

Jano11 wrote:
rscsr wrote:Since when are they using disc springs on the Front heave element?
And interestingly it seems to be a progressive one. I thought that they would use a degressive spring assembly .
http://i.imgur.com/RlmFCTk.jpg
Disc springs have a smaller size for the same loads.
Not sure though what you mean about the degressive vs progressive assembly.
And they are way easier to set up properly. I just asked, because it is the first time I've seen them in a F1 car.

regarding the progressive springrate, I just thought that you want a rather soft spring at a certain load. But on second thought it would be not that great/simple since the aerodynamic loads increase with the power of 2.

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by Just_a_fan » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:59 pm

rscsr wrote: I just asked, because it is the first time I've seen them in a F1 car.
I remember seeing Minardi running them on the rear suspension. That's a few years ago...
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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by thisisatest » Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:27 am

belleville washers/springs are nice because it's very easy to make spring rate adjustments with minimal extra parts. also check out Hyperco. it's possible, even likely, that these are carbon fiber, making them much lighter than conventional coils.

http://www.hypercoils.com/bellows

regarding its progressiveness, if i wanted to have a particular spring rate curve, i'd likely try to do it with linkage geometry. digressive springing is tricky, having a highly preloaded spring on top of another...

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by emmepi27 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:11 am

A friend show me this nice video comparision:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT1R_Rt8NJI

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by Pierce89 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:25 pm

emmepi27 wrote:A friend show me this nice video comparision:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT1R_Rt8NJI
That video is wonderful for showing how a bellows spring doesn't create sideload on the damper shaft like a traditional coil. It also shows the new carbon sprlings for anyone who hasn't seen them yet. The picture above could well be using the carbon Hyperco springs.
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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by Morteza » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:42 pm

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by tuj » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:07 pm

From what I was hearing the RB10 floor is incredibly efficient at generating down-force, thus allowing Riccardo to carry high speed out of the parabolica and ended up setting the highest speed trap during the race IIRC. Clearly the rear wing and front wings were modified to reduce drag, so I guess my question is: what is RBR doing with their floor that makes it so much better?

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Re: Red Bull RB10 Renault

Post by Just_a_fan » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:53 pm

If the RedBull was so "incredibly efficient" then they'd be winning all of the races. The RedBull doesn't have the downforce margin that it enjoyed in the EBD days. Indeed, they probably have little, if any, more downforce than the Mercedes this season.
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