OT but China "built" an aircraft carrier before the US realised.Sasha wrote:Also isn't funny the bad news about the Honda PU is coming from the Italian Auto Press.
They would write anything to keep Alonso at Ferrari!!!
If you know anything about the Japanese,they don't share their dirty laundry or talk to outsiders.
The only people to build the biggest battleship under the noses of the Royal Navy and US Navy.
The Germans,Italian or Russians couldn't do that.
IIRC I was reading in racecar engineering that Honda build or at least mock up engines for just about every motorsport as reseach projects, even when they have no intention of competingSasha wrote:Honda way is they will just give you that dumb look when asked about their engine then only give very short answers that gets the reporter thinking they done nothing/behind on project or having problems.
When Honda greenlights a F1 PU,they test all the different types like it was a University reserch project.So there could be 2-5 PU types being tested at the moment.And for the first year they normally use the safe one(down on power but reliable)then add power later but this new Honda Management are now taking chances(just look at the new 2015 CR-V with 160ps 1.6L Diesel and ZF 9-Speed AT...that's not the old Honda!)
Really, that is exactly the old Honda.Sasha wrote:Honda way is they will just give you that dumb look when asked about their engine then only give very short answers that gets the reporter thinking they done nothing/behind on project or having problems.
When Honda greenlights a F1 PU,they test all the different types like it was a University reserch project.So there could be 2-5 PU types being tested at the moment.And for the first year they normally use the safe one(down on power but reliable)then add power later but this new Honda Management are now taking chances(just look at the new 2015 CR-V with 160ps 1.6L Diesel and ZF 9-Speed AT...that's not the old Honda!)
The number of car concepts they built last time round certainly suggests they'll have explored as many avenues as possible with the engine...mrluke wrote:OT but China "built" an aircraft carrier before the US realised.Sasha wrote:Also isn't funny the bad news about the Honda PU is coming from the Italian Auto Press.
They would write anything to keep Alonso at Ferrari!!!
If you know anything about the Japanese,they don't share their dirty laundry or talk to outsiders.
The only people to build the biggest battleship under the noses of the Royal Navy and US Navy.
The Germans,Italian or Russians couldn't do that.
IIRC I was reading in racecar engineering that Honda build or at least mock up engines for just about every motorsport as reseach projects, even when they have no intention of competingSasha wrote:Honda way is they will just give you that dumb look when asked about their engine then only give very short answers that gets the reporter thinking they done nothing/behind on project or having problems.
When Honda greenlights a F1 PU,they test all the different types like it was a University reserch project.So there could be 2-5 PU types being tested at the moment.And for the first year they normally use the safe one(down on power but reliable)then add power later but this new Honda Management are now taking chances(just look at the new 2015 CR-V with 160ps 1.6L Diesel and ZF 9-Speed AT...that's not the old Honda!)
Exactly, the vagueness on the timing is the worrying bit. Mercedes were running these "bench tests" in late 2011, Renault in early 2012 so a good two years before in car running. Unless Honda have been doing it for 18 months already they are going to be struggling.Richard wrote:The current status in their own words:
That still doesn't tell us much, only that they've moved onto the stage when the physical bits are bolted together. He doesn't even give a hint of a past or future tense. That statement could be true if the bits are in boxes on the way to the bench test. Equally it could also be true if the unit has had 1000's of hours of testing and demonstrated mind blowingly huge power with the frugality of fasting Cistercian.Yasuhisa Arai, Senior Managing Officer of Honda R&D Co., Ltd. wrote:In addition to conducting simulations, we have moved onto the next stage where we conduct full-fledged bench tests of the engine while connecting the turbocharger and energy recovery systems.
ps - Don't forget the Merc PU press release showed a combined compressor and turbine ... http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima ... 662404.jpg
At this point is rather speculation than negativity. And as usual, there are barely just a handful of people knowing the whole truth. So, don't take anything seriously at this point.KingHamilton01 wrote:so much negativity around the honda PU it's almost like people want McLaren and honda to fail!
That's true, but this is a transition year for McLaren, and Mercedes may didn't share the same software or valuable tech info that the other Mercedes powered teams have... being a works team is a different story even if the Honda engine is not going to be as good as Mercedes, finding the perfect balance between engine and chassis is what really matters.RobertPthe3rd wrote:I don't want anyone to purposely fail. But McLaren have the best engine this year by a good percentage.
How can you know that? there is a long time still until Feb 2015 only then we'll know.RobertPthe3rd wrote: Chances are the honda will either have reliability problems just like the renault or they will be down on power. Or both! The chance of them upstaging Merc is about half of half of half of one percent.
Someone could say the same thing about Vettel, especially after this years season so far,RobertPthe3rd wrote:There is still also the problem of lead driver. Jenson is good, but only lucked into a wdc with brawn and has been avg. Or worse his whole career.
McLaren had the best engine *running a fuel and oil combination that have them something like a 30 hp deficit over the other merc teams according to some reports. Supposedly they brought a new fuel a few races back which has closed the difference a bit.RobertPthe3rd wrote:I don't want anyone to purposely fail. But McLaren have the best engine this year by a good percentage. Chances are the honda will either have reliability problems just like the renault or they will be down on power. Or both! The chance of them upstaging Merc is about half of half of half of one percent. So expect Mclaren to be even further behind unless they figure out some miraclulous loop hole in the chassis or engine regulations. History says that Merc will likely hold an advantage until the next radical rule change. Maybe not as large as this year but still an advantage. There is still also the problem of lead driver. Jenson is good, but only lucked into a wdc with brawn and has been avg. Or worse his whole career. If Alonso or Lewis don't join they are sunk. Although I think Kevin could be a star of the future. If the stewards cut him alittle slack.