But it did have a pace advantage, for the Malaysian race, the Ferrari was the better car. Just take a look at their stint comparison. http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/03/a ... -mercedes/LionKing wrote:Goal posts keep changing. What I objected was " the Ferrari had a significant pace advantage compared to Merc" as far as Malaysian race is concerned. I did not claim Ferrari beat a 1 sec faster Mercedes there, certainly not with respect to race pace.
Yes absolutely.LionKing wrote:1996 Spain was epic win in wet.
It is all relative.Silent Storm wrote:Good point but what I was saying is that the gap widens between those two when upgrades are brought is it due to Vettel loving the improved rear grip and Kimi getting understeer due to that is that the reason?
Also surprising hearing you praising Vettel PZ
Two of those victories can be considered epic, specially the one achieved in Barcelona. That was beyond amazing and with no excuses from the dominant car about a loss of power/pace in that race.Phil wrote:I have to admit, I never watched those 3 wins by Schumacher, but I'm guessing back then, the driver was a way bigger factor than he is today. I mean, years from now, people might remember Ricciardo's 3 wins with Redbull when he beat the 4 times world champion and against one of the most dominant cars in history... but being in the now and here, we all know better right? They only won because Mercedes had a meltdown on those 3 races.
Which is why I think comparing two careers of different eras to be rather pointless....
You are seeing two great drivers in different points of their career/performance stage.PlatinumZealot wrote:Kimi is the oldest driver on the grid and he is highly intelligent and as such I think he knows what he is doing with setup and preparation. The problem is that Vettel is just that much better than him. The battle between them is instriguing to say the least. I haven't found any strengths that Kimi has over Vettel. There just isn't anything you can point out. What we are seeing here is a great driver against a very good driver. There is no shame in it for Kimi and I think he has come to accept that.
Absolutely, it would be great to compare Raikkonnen 2005 vs Vettel 2015 but sadly, we cant.Rikhart wrote:You are seeing two great drivers in different points of their career/performance stage.PlatinumZealot wrote:Kimi is the oldest driver on the grid and he is highly intelligent and as such I think he knows what he is doing with setup and preparation. The problem is that Vettel is just that much better than him. The battle between them is instriguing to say the least. I haven't found any strengths that Kimi has over Vettel. There just isn't anything you can point out. What we are seeing here is a great driver against a very good driver. There is no shame in it for Kimi and I think he has come to accept that.
All I know that Kimi beat both Lewis and Alonso to the title in 2007. Thats sufficient for me to say how good or bad he is.Vasconia wrote:Absolutely, it would be great to compare Raikkonnen 2005 vs Vettel 2015 but sadly, we cant.Rikhart wrote:You are seeing two great drivers in different points of their career/performance stage.PlatinumZealot wrote:Kimi is the oldest driver on the grid and he is highly intelligent and as such I think he knows what he is doing with setup and preparation. The problem is that Vettel is just that much better than him. The battle between them is instriguing to say the least. I haven't found any strengths that Kimi has over Vettel. There just isn't anything you can point out. What we are seeing here is a great driver against a very good driver. There is no shame in it for Kimi and I think he has come to accept that.
2010- Vettel won because Webber crashed in Korea and Alonso couldn't pass Petrov.Vasconia wrote:But Kim won this title thanks to his great final races and the civil war inside McLaren. I would say that Kimi impressed me more in 2005 when he should have won, but that McLaren was as fast as fragile. In 2003 he showed a regularity almost unknown in his Ferrari years.
The best driver won every year. It is completely your interpretation that when two drivers in the same team are ahead it takes luck to win. It's hard to separate Kimi's second half of the season and Lewis' first half. It's easy to sit in front of a keyboard and 'blabla' about luck. Quite another to become a F1 World Champion.Vasconia wrote:Err yes, but when you have two drivers of the same team ahead of you in the championship and it seems quite clear that one of them is going to win, and this doesnt happen because they start to f*ckt themselves. Its more than passion and commitment and blabla which gives you the chance of winning.
Kimi did a great job in the last races, but you cant ignore the fact that he was lucky.
By the way...
2010: Vettel won because he did a great job but Webber´s mistake and Ferrari´s incompetence helped a lot.
2009: Man, Button won because he had such a great advantage of points , the title was for him, even with a mediocre second half of the championship.
2008: Like 2010, a combination of good job with a LOT of lucky and mistakes.
2006: Normal championship, Alonso won because they did a great job in the first half gaining a good advantage. Even Michael said it.
2004/2003/2002/2001/2000: The best driver won, and Barrichelo would not be a real danger even with the same treatment.